If you click the keyword it opens a link to the story you saved.

bodhisamaya wrote:

If you click the keyword it opens a link to the story you saved.

This shows the kanji though. igordesu may be right, though. I don't know, I still think it would be a good option to have nonetheless.

Well really, I think Khatz would qualify as someone in a position to give advice. Producing from keyword or story; there isn't much difference. Knowing the association between a story and the kanji is, i think, more important than associating English keywords with stories with kanji.　If you know what I mean...

the40pancakes wrote:

but as Khatzumoto from AJATT says, the important thing is producing the kanji from memory with no visual aid.

If I recall properly he didn't use Heisig's method, but something similar? Basically anything that's component based will be said to be similar to Heisig.

If he said that above, then perhaps his approach is less strict on the pure memory recall during the kanji learning stage, and maybe accounts for the reinforcing of those characters when you finally start attaching them to words/Japanese compounds. This seems logical to me and AFAIK we have no data to prove that it wouldn't work either. So reviewing in that way would emphasize the recall of the components, and the recall of the characters later through actual words.

Is that what he meant? Can you post a link to his article? Personally I wouldn't mind reviewing like that sometimes, especially after already having finished RtK as my reviews take forever since I have to do extra effort to recall the story for each characters that have expired for more anywhere to 6-9 months.

Wally wrote:

ファブリス wrote:

The story contains the primitive "codes", which in turn give off the kanji.

If you're asking to see the story BEFORE you test yourself on the kanji recall, you're asking to be shown the primitive list and then redraw the kanji from that? Eh? What am I missing here?

I received similar requests by email but I thought they meant to be able to check the story easily from the flashcard review page. Perhaps with a popup or something. But to show it before the character doesn't make sense in Heisig's method.

Where's the article from AJATT? Perhaps you are misinterpreting what Khatz said.

Oh gosh no.  Not before.  That would be completely dishonest with myself.  I'd just like to see the story when I reveal the kanji (after I have attempted to write it from the keyword, and I'm verifying it). 

I think that actually reinforces the learning, by reinforcing the story.  There have been more than a handful of cases where I have written the kanji from the keyword, perfectly, but I have not recalled the story as well as I recalled the kanji.  Maybe recalling the story is not so important of course.  But since I wrote the kanji correctly, it may indicate that the story is not a bad one, and I'd like to reinforce it.

Just click the keyword and the story comes up. However as you said yourself, the story isn't what's important to remember, the kanji is

vgambit wrote:

There is a way to show the story with an extra click during reviews in Anki, and it works really well.

igordesu wrote:

I'd say just skip the advice about looking at the story when doing kanji.  You're essentially giving yourself a list of the primitives, which, IMO, isn't very good...Just try to remember it based on the keyword.  If you have to fail something, fail it.  That just means you review it more and get more practice.

Even Heisig says that it's alright to look at the story if you can't recall the kanji. What you're saying is that people should make an extra effort to learn the story rather than the kanji, which doesn't make much sense to me.

The problem is that if you use the story to remember the kanji, you won't remember the kanji later when you need to write it because you won't have a story to look at then. You're learning to go story -> kanji, not keyword -> kanji. Look at the story if you can't remember the kanji but don't pass that kanji. You didn't remember it so it should be failed. Otherwise, you mess up the SRS, there's no way you'll remember the kanji without looking at the story the next time it comes up.

That was the one Perry. Well nonetheless, I've started doing reviews without checking my stories. I'll see if this improves recall... But anyway, when are you going to be needing the kanji and have the English keyword there to recall it? I think the actual recall of the kanji is the important thing; any real meaning associated with it would come with contextual exposure. Am I saying anything useful or just raving? Meh. What I'm trying to say is, I think it would be handy to have an option to see the story. Maybe it could be hidden by default, but with an option to have it come up when hovering over the keyword or something. Certainly not to use as a total crutch, but just as a last resort. Hell, maybe there could be expanded difficulty ratings when reviewing, the one just above fail being for when you could recall the kanji with the story shown to you.
Anyone, please forgive my rambling.

Last edited by the40pancakes (2009 March 26, 6:01 pm)