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Reply #1 - 2009 March 24, 1:27 pm
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Today I have included two ad blocks on the RevTK forums.

There is one ad block on the top of the page, which is directed at unregistered visitors, and not visible by forum members. You may see it when you log out or your "Remember me" cookie expired.

In the future I will perhaps use this space for direct advertising, which would be visible to registered and unregistered members alike. The idea being that direct advertising is much more relevant, as it could be links to stores where you can buy Japanese music, DVDs, text books, dictionaries etc.

I also placed an ad block on the side bar which is visible on the Index and Search pages. For this block, I decided to make it visible to forum members as well, mostly because it is non-intrusive.

I will be testing this out for a month, and I will try to finetune the ads over the next few weeks as I look at the available options.

Because of this, please forgive me if some ads seem really out of context! I am a bit puzzled right now at the available options. I haven't found for example, how to get ads for Japanese learning material and such. If you see an ad that is questionable, let me know and I will see what I can do.

Reply #2 - 2009 March 24, 1:39 pm
stoked Member
From: Switzerland Registered: 2009-01-09 Posts: 378 Website

Adblock seems to work, cool. No ads for me in this forum.

Reply #3 - 2009 March 24, 1:53 pm
bodhisamaya Guest

It is great if you can get some additional revenue this way.  I don't know if you have any control over what ads get put in that box though.  If so, the direct links to study material endorsed by the users here would actually be an improvement to this site that aids so many and help you as well in getting compensated for your "labor of love" (as you once called it).  I see Pimsleur is one of the ads now.  We pretty much torch Pimsleur here as a needless waste of money so I hope they don't monitor the forum threads. smile

Last edited by bodhisamaya (2009 March 24, 1:54 pm)

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Reply #4 - 2009 March 24, 6:20 pm
welldone101 Member
Registered: 2008-12-21 Posts: 289

I can't see the ad while logged in and on the index or search pages sad  I haven't yet tried to peak at the logged out one.  I'm not using any adblock plugin that I know of.

Edit: Logged out and found the one box.  It's cute and small!  That let me also find the other box.  I didn't see it because there are no ads in either of them for some reason.

Last edited by welldone101 (2009 March 24, 6:22 pm)

Reply #5 - 2009 March 24, 6:22 pm
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

bodhisamaya wrote:

I don't know if you have any control over what ads get put in that box though.

Adsense, as the name implies, tries to sense what kind of ads are relevant to the context in which they appear. That means that ideally most of the Adsense ads we see will be in regards to Japanese or study related stuff. However I have seen some about saving starving African children or whatever already.

Last edited by Jarvik7 (2009 March 24, 6:53 pm)

Reply #6 - 2009 March 25, 1:58 am
onafarm Member
Registered: 2005-11-12 Posts: 129 Website

Adense starts of with 'community related' advertisements until it has figured out what the page is all about.

I have their advertisements on my font pages. It more than pays for the site costs, and no one seems to mind. At least no one has ever complained.

Reply #7 - 2009 March 25, 3:32 am
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Jarvik7 wrote:

That means that ideally most of the Adsense ads we see will be in regards to Japanese or study related stuff.

Yes in theory. So far I'm seeing fairly random ads. More amusing is ads in Japanese on the topics where there are kanji in the title. In fact there are not so many advertisers for Japan study items, it's far easier to advertise ringtones and wallpapers smile

I think it would be best for all, you and me, to have direct advertising, but I'm still very busy with refactoring code, so I'm trying out AdSense first as it is relatively "passive" and easy to setup.

Reply #8 - 2009 March 25, 5:18 am
wrightak Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2006-04-07 Posts: 873 Website

Since I'm getting the fantastic resource of this website for free, this may sound selfish but I hate the ads. Ugly warts on the page.

Maybe a new business model: providing ads that blend in and look great.

Reply #9 - 2009 March 25, 1:21 pm
wccrawford Member
From: FL US Registered: 2008-03-28 Posts: 1551

I just disabled AdBlock for this site, since I think I can trust you not to have horrible ads and your site deserves what it can get from ads.

So far, all the ads I've seen were about Japanese services or Japanese products.

Reply #10 - 2009 March 25, 1:24 pm
Smackle Member
Registered: 2008-01-16 Posts: 463

I do not know if it helps, but I am willing to click an ad once a week. Does that bring in any revenue at all?

Reply #11 - 2009 March 25, 3:03 pm
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

@wccrawford : if you don't click the ads it doesn't matter whether you see them or not, though an ad blocker could interfere with the "pageviews" count of the ad tracking if it doesnt allow the ad code to run at all.

@Smackle: don't click ads you're not interested in or curious about. It's against Google AdSense policies to ask people to click ads. It will make very little difference anyway, unless a large number of people abused the system.

The top ad only shows for non registered members, that's the goal. I assume most of you are logged in with the "remember me" cookie right? So it doesn't matter. I want to see how the ads perform for Google search visitors who come and go.

So far it's made 2.4$ in 24h which isn't bad, if it makes 50 dollars at the end of the month, that's the domain name renewal paid plus a few other small expenses, it's a simple as that.

Reply #12 - 2009 March 25, 3:18 pm
Smackle Member
Registered: 2008-01-16 Posts: 463

I have already found and clicked an ad I was curious about.
"Jump Into Spirit World
You Are One Jump Away From Changing Your Life Forever
www.QuantumJumping.com"

Reply #13 - 2009 March 26, 3:43 am
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Heheh, I started seeing more interesting/relevant ones. One for HiraganaTimes and one for a Japanese Manga school.

Reply #14 - 2009 March 26, 4:49 am
Ben_Nielson Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-12-19 Posts: 164

Yeah, disabled adblock and logged out to check em out.

I saw:
New Global - Only one school of manga Japanese
Japanese Translations - English-Japanese specialists
Japanese Language at NILS - 30% off, Fukuoka School (I live in Fukuoka prefecture, so I'm not sure if this was region specific?)
Train your brain (Kanji) - Japanese Training Flashcard Program (competition for this site? tongue)
Find a Japanese Teacher - 300 registered Teachers

Those were all surprisingly relevant.  heh...  The "Train your brain" link gave me an HTML page saying there was a Runtime Error.  They're having problems. smile

Reply #15 - 2009 March 26, 4:54 am
Ben_Nielson Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-12-19 Posts: 164

hahaha, and this gem.

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Obviously, they've figured out the secret to fluency...

Reply #16 - 2009 March 26, 5:26 am
stoked Member
From: Switzerland Registered: 2009-01-09 Posts: 378 Website

Wow, this is great!

/me turns off adbock for *.koohii.com

Last edited by stoked (2009 March 26, 5:27 am)

Reply #17 - 2009 March 26, 6:03 am
Blahah Member
From: Cambridge, UK Registered: 2008-07-15 Posts: 715 Website

Have you considered seeking advertising deals with the big international suppliers of Japanese products? You could have an Amazon affiliate account and use that for recommended texts, then seek a deal with jlist.com and other similar sites.

Many people here buy from jList and Amazon, I'm sure they would all happily do so through this site to help support such a fantastic service.

edit: I just checked out Jlist's affiliate program, which offers a 12% cut of all orders made through your site. You can read about it here http://www.jlist.com/PAGE/affiliates.html

Last edited by Blahah (2009 March 26, 6:08 am)

Reply #18 - 2009 March 26, 8:36 am
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Problem is Amazon US doesn't let me draw the money to a bank in Europe, so instead of adding it to my savings or using it for hosting and such, I have to spend it on Amazon.

Jlist well... I was contacted very recently but I thought the adult material there would be a little out of place on this site and forum. So I offered to do something with Jbox, but haven't gotten a reply. That said since I advertised Japanesepod101 for 6 months without a single remuneration on their affiliate program, I am very doubtful of affiliate schemes. Thanks for the link. I see they offer much more control than I thought on what products to show. I'll probably get in touch with them when I am done refactoring the current site.

Reply #19 - 2009 March 26, 8:38 am
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Jlist/Jbox, thejapanshop, yesasia, Amazon, I'm not aware of many places whrere you can order Japanese study material.

Do you guys know other good stores where you've ordered before ?

Reply #20 - 2009 April 01, 9:06 am
frychiko Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-01-10 Posts: 22

Is there a problem with accepting Amazon cheques?

With Amazon, after you have made 6 sales, you get boosted to 6%, then it keeps going up to a certain percentage. 8.5% I think.. Amazon will probably get you the highest conversion rates by far.

Reply #21 - 2009 April 01, 12:50 pm
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Yes, my bad! The homepage and learnmore page now have links to Remembering the Kanji on Amazon smile  It does reach 8.5% once you sold 3131 items smile

Reply #22 - 2009 April 01, 1:51 pm
bodhisamaya Guest

This is all very exciting.  Hopefully you can turn your hobby into a full time career soon.  It is everyone's dream to get paid for doing what they enjoy smile

Reply #23 - 2009 April 01, 2:30 pm
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Thanks for the positive vibes bodhisamaya wink

I will put advertising on hold now, and focus on finishing this refactored site. Only review index, study and members page left, but they are the more complex pages.

Reply #24 - 2010 April 16, 4:50 am
Smackle Member
Registered: 2008-01-16 Posts: 463

I just noticed today that the Google Ads were gone.

I am a highly observant individual.

Last edited by Smackle (2010 April 16, 4:58 am)

Reply #25 - 2010 April 16, 9:42 am
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

I just thought of one unobtrusive way to make (some) money through the forum...

Users often talk a lot about books. If you provided an easy way for users to add the links, you could potentially make some money as an Amazon affiliate.