Sounds really interesting, I might have to look into that later.

I used the Bungo Manual (which I found hard to follow at the time) and some things prepared by the professor the first time I took Classical Japanese.  Professor Shirane's books weren't out yet, but they do sound good.

Jarvik, what are you using to study hentaigana, etc.?

Edit2: Miaow, have you read any classical Japanese literature or poetry in translation yet?  Almost all of the famous works have been translated at least once.  The translations and the translators' prefaces and notes might give you a feel for how the language and content is different.  A lot of things are out in cheap paperback editions that are easy to find, but if you have access to a major library, you might want to look at one of the volumes of A Waka Anthology by Professor Edwin Cranston.  He's translated selections of poetry and song from the earliest written materials in Japanese through the poems in the Tale of Genji, and it is easy to tell that he loves this poetry more than just about anything.  The Japanese is romanized and set beside the English, and there are some notes about translation.

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I would still recommend reading translations.  Especially if you can find things in the library, why not read everything you possibly can?  You lose 100% of the meaning if you don't look at it at all, and good translations are a quick way to find out about things that you might just love reading in the original.

Prof. Cranston's commentary is just as long as the poems themselves, but it's fascinating in its own right.  Hopefully it will come out in a more accessible paperback soon.  The Tale of Genji is well worth reading, though long, and it's easy to find in translation.  Royall Tyler's translation has very helpful notes and commentary.  The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon is also easy to find in abridged paperback translation; it might be a fun first piece to read.

If you want to just look at some texts and get a feel for how older Japanese is different, you might look at the UVA Japanese Text Initiative:
http://etext.virginia.edu/japanese/index.html

the guide I have to Classical Japanese, though technically not about Classical Japanese, is 'A descriptive grammar of Early Old Japanese Prose' by John R. Bentley, nice grammar though the guy is a bit too outspoken about Japanese as an Altaic Language in my opinion. But if you're interested in long range language comparison, and some of the oldest attested forms of the Japanese language it's a great book.

Whether it helps much actually reading Classical Japanese, I don't know. haha, I haven't read a lot of Classical Japanese since reading that grammar.

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Jarvik7 wrote:

Actually, the reader is the companion volume. You need to go through the first half of the grammar book before you'll understand anything. It's actually what I'm currently using to study classical and I recommend it. Just watch out, Amazon will screw you over and not send the answer key. I ended up getting my copy of the text free by complaining over the phone

I saw your review!  Did you ever get your answer key?  If so, where did you get it? I noticed another reviewer mentioned he did get his answer key, so I'm wondering if you mistakenly received an open package?  (I'd imagine since the book comes with a separate answer key, it would be shrinkwrapped into a package.)

Thanks for the reply!  =^_^=

~*Miaow*~

I called the publisher and they shipped me a copy for free. It took over a month to get here though. I think it might have been the publisher's fault in the first place and not Amazon. All of the copies in my university bookstore were also missing answer keys.

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