Right now I have a bunch of plans, but I want to wait till I've tested them before rambling further.

Philosophically speaking, I'm just really happy right now to have this paradigm shift: Previously, I considered 'native media' to be this ambient cloud, this media ecology with which I constantly engaged on both passive and active levels outside Anki, and would occasionally add items to the SRS with. There was that differentiation of 'fun' and 'structure', clearly defined (well, I personally found my method fun, but you know what I mean). But now, though there's still many possibilities with adding things you encounter and find interesting to your SRS, the SRS itself has become part of the media ecology, the videos are transferred to this new medium whereby they can be remixed and studied on the fly.

At the moment, rather than applying a specific structure, I'm keeping the decks separate, having made them after watching something (and perhaps rewatching when I finish), and when I open them, I study the cards* as they come. I try to find something useful in each card, and if the effort outweighs the benefit, I skip it. More focused decks and uses of the cards will come after I finish iKnow and KO. I've rambled before about some of that stuff, including 'condensed exposure', themed frequency lists and similar corpora-derived decks, and 'imaginary conversations', but I'll leave all that as nebulous nonsense for now.

*Edit: Cards added both ways (forward/reverse).

Last edited by nest0r (2009 February 12, 1:59 pm)

First: I am learning Chinese - but I guess this does not really matter. I also still have a little stuff I want to cover, before adding a batch of subs2srs-stuff.
I ripped a part of the movie Ipman and cleaned the deck up. I plan to use it in my standard sentence model, which means:
1.) read Hanzi out loud --> check back against mp3/pinyin.
2.) dictation-mode.

A community-member of the Chinese-Forums created an kickass-spreadsheet which finds Hanzi/Kanji, which you have not learned yet. So this is what I do with the text ripped from movies via subs2srs.
Highly recommended also for checking non-RTK for Kanji-learners!!!!:
http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=28000

So for the Ipman-deck I have to learn  around 40 Hanzi vs 200 sentences. Pretty neat.
Here the introduction of subs2srs to the Chinese-Forums and also some sample decks:
http://www.chinese-forums.com/showthread.php?t=27827

Edit: I don't use English subs, so I cannot help you on that - you probably know shooter.cn, where you can download lots of Chinese subs.

Last edited by HerrPetersen (2009 February 12, 7:59 pm)

There are some pretty good links for Japanese subtitles in this thread:
http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?pid=23035#p23035

I've made a deck that so far includes 5cm Per Second, Shana movie, Clannad and Girl who Leapt Through Time, and I'll probably add some more. I wouldn't mind getting some live action stuff in there as well, but it seems hard to find subtitles for.

For my model, the question is an audio clip and snapshot, and my task is to write out the sentence with kanji and understand it fully.

I'm really enjoying reviewing with it, it's a lot more fun than just doing Anki with text, and I think it'll really help my listening comprehension.

Nest0r, you're the man. Sadly, I've only watched 20th Century Boys (gods what a disappointment after such a great manga) and Cyborg Girl (ok, I was pleasantly surprised at how good this movie was).

I have to avoid the trap of wasting so much time collecting "material" that I don't use the material to study. Yeah, the sentence mining efforts of last year spring to mind.

Yes, I wonder if I'll use more than one or two of these files (or bits and pieces of them all), but hopefully enough other folks will use them and create decks, and eventually we'll have a big database, and consolidate them in different ways. For example, there's two Miike films above, perhaps we can create decks from a sizeable number of Miike's works, consolidate them, and then learners can watch Miike's oeuvre in the native language! ;p

I think that DVD release groups will most often throw in the subtitles when the DVD lacks English subs, presumably for others to translate. I find it to be surprisingly common, but they have a surprisingly brief Internet lifespan before passing into obscurity, due to lack of demand among all but a relative few. Over the years, I used to get so frustrated when a new film would be released, only to find it had JP subs only. Now the tables have turned! ^_-

Last edited by nest0r (2009 February 14, 2:34 am)

I'm wondering how best to do that as well. Someone not as lazy as me could just create a blog.

Ok I've been thinking about the whole sub problem....
with this wonderful soft I think we should really write our own subs...
even if the new idx /sub feature is great , once again in 99,99999999 % of the case DVD subtitles don't match the script . So what's the point ? 
A standard anime show is 24 episode  , 300-400 lines by episode (most of which are onomatopoeia)  . If we resume the community work it would be done very quickly.
We would just have to agree about the show .

We could organize ourselves this way
1st step one of us would do the timing  , with aegissub for instance which handles Kanji and is free.
2nd step the timing document would be pasted and released in a google doc spreadsheet : the timing is pasted automatically  in the 1st column
starting from that point everyone could add casualy what he understands.....DIRECTLY in the 2nd column of the  spreasheet .

3d step  the document is complete  , you just have to copy and paste into aegissub
: the timing doesn't change and the 2nd column goes automatically in the text field . I checked  and it works great . No sweat . From there you would just have to save it as an ass file. And after that it's sbs2srs time !

So ? is there a show with no subtitles around and you would be interested in ?
the melancholy of Haruhi suzumiya ? evangelion ? ouran high school club ? FLCL ? hellsing ?  I just give shows I like off the top of my head  so give your ideas .

Last edited by ghinzdra (2009 February 17, 5:14 am)

I've been trying with deathnote....
Unfortunetaly the timing is off : 1.20 late....Apparently no big deal , subtitles editors are easy to handle .
Except that if I change the timing then aegissubs change also the encoding and MPC or Vobsub have big trouble with the UTF 8 format  and it renders gibberish on screen....For sure I could ignore the problem but I'd like to watch the show on my screen   1st because I want to check the result on screen  ,  check  that it works fine before putting sbs2srs in action for several episodes....  2nd because I love the anime

After several unsuccesful attemps I found this

"Softsubbing a video can be done in several ways. On Windows using a DirectShow player, such as Media Player Classic, ZoomPlayer or even Windows Media Player, you need VSFilter installed to view the subtitles. If you use MPlayer, you need libass and FontConfig compiled to correctly view all the formatting. Please note that VLC does currently not support softsubs very well; it is strongly recommended that you avoid it for viewing softsubbed files. "

I got libass and fontconfig but what am I supposed to do from that point ? I don't know how to "compile"  . 
It's all the more annoying that there is a lot of ass files out there (no pun intended) as aegis is the substitute of ssa in the heart of  the anime communauty .

Last edited by ghinzdra (2009 February 17, 11:56 am)

does anyone here do fansubs at daddicts or something? Do you know somebody that does?

if we had an "in" at that website, maybe we could get our hands on some text subs. I know that their policy is not to share subtitles so their hard work doesn't go to monetary profit for others, but maybe for a very clear learning project they would make an exception.

i think its a bit on the crazy side (and akin to working in a coal mine) to try to harvest subtitles ourselves, and in the end we would simply be giving away what they were working to protect in the first place (depending on the source of the material of course)

I think that if we had cooperation with some fansub website, we could really accomplish alot quickly

It's early yet, but I haven't had any problems with the Japanese vobsubs matching the speech, or with using the subs2srs options to make sure timings are correct, so I don't know, I'm pretty much satisfied in that regard. Could you give examples where it's not possible to make sure things match using subs2srs, or where the Japanese idx/sub files don't match what's being said in the movie?

I thought about having a project for turning CCs into .srts, but honestly, I don't think it'd be worth it, I'd rather just use preexisting subtitles and occasionally skim through transcriptions of videos I've watched and create single or a few sentences from those by hand.

Last edited by nest0r (2009 February 19, 3:36 am)

ghinzdra wrote:

For sure I could ignore the problem but I'd like to watch the show on my screen   1st because I want to check the result on screen  ,  check  that it works fine before putting sbs2srs in action for several episodes....

You could play the video from inside Aegisub. Or you can use their "play line" feature where they'll play the audio corresponding to the time the sub is on...say u select a sub that's set to display from 00:01:00 to 00:02:00 it'll play the audio from that interval too.