Suggestion: progress metric

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mcfate Member
From: Ohio USA Registered: 2007-09-02 Posts: 10

For those who are still adding kanji, there is a very obvious measure of progress: the number of kanji in play, and/or the number of kanji in the low-numbered boxes that are displayed individually on the review page.

For those who have hit the end of the list, the number of kanji no longer changes.  I've been at 3,007 for a year or so, but I'm still reviewing and trying to work on cards to keep them from slipping out of my memory.  With fairly few kanji outside of the rightmost column ("box 4+") on the review page, it's hard to see progress.  I don't really know if I'm on the whole slowly moving kanji into higher boxes beyond #4, or just treading water, or even losing ground.

I was thinking that a progress score could be created, something like "1,000 times the average box-number that one's cards are in, rounded to the nearest integer."  That shouldn't consume too much database time -- I'd expect it could likely be picked up in the query that produces the review page.  The use of an average yields comparable scores for those who stop at RTK1 and those who continue beyond it.  The calculation should result in a four-digit number for most site users -- comparable to the number of digits in the typical "number of cards" display.  A successful review that moved just a handful of cards up one box would increase the number, even for someone with all 3,007 cards.

There seem to be a fair number of people who've hit the 3,007 limit but are still regular visitors to the site.  I wonder if they, too, would be interested in some sort of overall progress score, or whether I'm alone in this.

radical_tyro Member
Registered: 2005-11-19 Posts: 272

I like this idea. I finished RTK 1 a long time ago and only add from RTK 3 as they appear in my vocab. Hence 95% of my cards are in the 4+ stack and like you, I don't have any sense of progress on this site anymore. I think there are many people here in similar positions and I believe various suggestions for showing what's going on in the 4+ stack have come up before.

ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

I'm trying a few SQL querries here. There is a limit on the box number, as it wouldn't make sense to keep pushing cards several years in the future. The highest review interval is about a year long. There is a total number of reviews though, which keeps increasing.

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joxn_costello Member
From: Seattle, WA Registered: 2006-06-29 Posts: 59

ファブリス wrote:

I'm trying a few SQL querries here. There is a limit on the box number, as it wouldn't make sense to keep pushing cards several years in the future. The highest review interval is about a year long. There is a total number of reviews though, which keeps increasing.

Why not, after people have added their 3007th card, showing all the boxes?

Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

joxn_costello wrote:

ファブリス wrote:

I'm trying a few SQL querries here. There is a limit on the box number, as it wouldn't make sense to keep pushing cards several years in the future. The highest review interval is about a year long. There is a total number of reviews though, which keeps increasing.

Why not, after people have added their 3007th card, showing all the boxes?

That's not very nice for those of us who only did RtK1 on the site. I personally feel much better doing kanji as I need them after the jouyou... I still want to see all the boxes on the site smile

joxn_costello Member
From: Seattle, WA Registered: 2006-06-29 Posts: 59

Tobberoth wrote:

That's not very nice for those of us who only did RtK1 on the site. I personally feel much better doing kanji as I need them after the jouyou... I still want to see all the boxes on the site smile

Maybe after you've added all the cards from RTK1 it can show you all the boxes on the RTK1 tab, but only show the compressed boxes on the RTK3 page until you've added all 3007.

Personally, my monitor is wide enough that all 8 boxes would fit anyway.

mcfate Member
From: Ohio USA Registered: 2007-09-02 Posts: 10

joxn_costello wrote:

Why not, after people have added their 3007th card, showing all the boxes?

That is a better suggestion than mine. 

I don't even need the graphics, just the number of cards in each box.  (If I want some sort of scoring system, once I have the numbers, I can type them into Excel and do whatever calculation I want.)

joxn_costello Member
From: Seattle, WA Registered: 2006-06-29 Posts: 59

Thinking about this a little more, I suggest that when a user adds the 2042nd card in the RTK1 tab, or the 3007th card in the RTK3 tab respectively, the display should switch from compressing boxes 4-8 over to compressing boxes 1-4.  Since, at that point, the goal is to get the low-number boxes as empty as possible, lumping them all together would make a great motivator for me.

ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

I've tried before, and again today, displaying eight stacks side by side and it looks quite unwieldy.

I'm thinking of maybe add another tab for "Charts" and use a Google pie chart with segments for each box. If the colors get darker for higher box, the darker the whole chart is, the stronger your current retention, something like that. The labels can display the card total in each box.

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