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Hi all,
I recently made the switch from the review system on this site to Anki. However, I was 450+ cards into RtK before I made the switch, so I had 450+ cards to review. But I'm down to about the last 100 or so, and I'm having a blast reviewing them all. Sure, it's taken me a couple of days, but it's really not so bad.
However, I've noticed a lot of people dislike reviewing millions upon millions of cards because it is a lot of work, especially if those cards are sentences and not Kanji (I think this was one of the reasons Kanji Hanzi Hub disliked Anki).
So, I created this thread so that people who love reviewing tons of cards can express their love for review while people who hate reviewing can take a break from reviewing and rant on for a bit. I'm doing this in hopes of hearing about the experiences of other people who are further down the 'Learning Japanese' road than I am so I can see what I'm in for.
Hi,
I just decided to switch too, however I thought I'd split it after chap.16, and use both site +SRS. Unlike you, Im too lazy to review old ones, besides, that would put me behind in schedule. Would take more time to have them in long term memory if I started again, so I rather use this site for old kanjis. Too bad I didnt think of that sooner.^^
I guess what I dont like about reviewing is how its frustrating when you dont know new ones at all. But its fun when you have high rates. Its like: Im not stupid after all!^^
I don't fear the reviews as much as I fear thinking about how much time I've invested in RTK with over 33 thousand reviews on this site. And there are people with many more than me.
Fear review?
It's not the reviews that are scary. It's the things you're tempted to do from all the boredom with reviews ![]()
My favorite story for 1618(review, 閲)
If you add 3007 kanji flashcards in one day on this site and then start to review them, then you are about to open the gates of devil...(=tons of expired cards to review in the next days!).
It's not the act of reviewing I dislike, it's the amount that HAS to be done within 24 hours. When it comes to expired cards, I AM a perfectionist. There's no way I'll let a day pass where I have a review pile, no way. Everything that has expired MUST be reviewed. That is what annoys me, I see that pile as a stain that needs to be removed and I have a limited timeframe to do so.
I'm starting to, ever since I began my 100 a day project. Today, I have 179 expired, about 200 I'm reviewing, and I want to add 80-100 new cards. This is a mess, I'll be up all night agian.
I really dont mind having a lot to review sure some days i have over 100+ Kanji to review and already getting over 100 sentences to review each day, but aslong as you stay focused and have no distractions its pretty amazing how quick you can go through them, I especially enjoy the sentence reviews as you feel like your finally seeing the benefits of RTK.
Bryan_Saxton wrote:
millions upon millions of cards
If you have 10,000 cards and 1,000,000 total reviews, each card would be reviewed an average of 100 times...
Tobberoth wrote:
It's not the act of reviewing I dislike, it's the amount that HAS to be done within 24 hours. When it comes to expired cards, I AM a perfectionist. There's no way I'll let a day pass where I have a review pile, no way. Everything that has expired MUST be reviewed. That is what annoys me, I see that pile as a stain that needs to be removed and I have a limited timeframe to do so.
I'm kinda the opposite. I get around 200 reviews a day and I maybe finish them all once a week. Usually it's because I was too lazy to put down whatever I was reading or watching to get started reviewing early enough to finish them before I have to stop. I generally won't force myself to get my pile down below 50.
I find sentences a lot more enjoyable to review than kanji. Right now I'd guess I get less than thirty kanji reviews a day, so that's nice
zodiac wrote:
If you have 10,000 cards and 1,000,000 total reviews, each card would be reviewed an average of 100 times...
But, if you have 10,000 cards and 1,000,000,000,000 total reviews, each card would be reviewed an average of 100,000,000 times. Talk about millions upon millions
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The way the reviews go for me is, I get up early and do them all in one go each day. I use Anki. There are about 100-150 kanji to review each morning, it takes about an hour and a half to do. To soften the task, if I have time the previous night, I'll do some reviewing of the not-so-new ones that were already waiting in line to be reviewed the next morning, but the newest ones always wait until the following day.
I don't "fear" the reviews, because I enjoy writing the kanji onto paper with a pencil while I'm reviewing. That in particular is fun. At first I was just doing it in my head, and that made it kind of boring and stressful, plus it didn't give me practice in handwriting. I fear having to get up early though, but I know it's good because it means the reviews always get done to completion every day, so I don't have to worry all day about when todo the reviewing, and there's no possibility me missing out on them.
@Theperson45
I do the same thing every morning, and I find it's a great way to get my brain started before I go off to school (I'm in my last year of college). Waking up at 6:45 a.m. with a cup of coffee in front of my computer and a stack of Kanji is a very good way to start the morning in my opinion.
But I haven't had more than 400 to review in a single day.
alyks wrote:
I find sentences a lot more enjoyable to review than kanji. Right now I'd guess I get less than thirty kanji reviews a day, so that's nice
So does that mean that you put your sentences and kanji in the same deck, or do you separate them?
I'm hoping to start on sentences next week some time, so I'd like to know which approach is best. To be honest I had thought it would be best to separate them, but this idea wasn't based on anything in particular.
bandwidthjunkie wrote:
I'm hoping to start on sentences next week some time, so I'd like to know which approach is best. To be honest I had thought it would be best to separate them, but this idea wasn't based on anything in particular.
There is only one reason to seperate them: That you might eventually not want to do review kanji every day. When you're down to... 10 kanji a day or so, you might feel like you just want to review kanji on fridays etc. This isn't really possible if it's the same deck as your sentences (which you will need to review every day).
I keep three separate decks - a Kanji deck, a reading comprehension deck, and a listening comprehension deck.
I keep them separate because I do them at different times of the day. Sometimes, I have space to be writing Kanji - which is when I work on that deck. Sometimes I can put on some earphones or have speakers, so listening comprehension. All other times, I just plow through my reading comprehension deck.
Anyways - with Anki, you can combine all your decks and then just "suspend" certain tags when you don't want to deal with them. So if you don't want to do Kanji until Friday, just leave it suspended. Then unsuspend it (and probably set the Kanji tag to High Priority so they'll all get reviewed at the same time instead of interspersed throughout your other cards).
Then again, I think it's easier just to have three shortcuts on my desktop - one for each deck, depending on what/how I want to study at that time.
I kinda like reviews... This is something that I'm realizing now... I didn't appreciate reviews enough before. The thing about a review is that by its nature, you're reviewing something you've already learned. It's less work than learning a new kanji, but you still get a sense that you're studying and doing something worthwhile. After all, reviews are important! Now that I have finished RTK1, I like the review stage (it wasn't always so fun, though!). Generally these days I get around 60-70 reviews, sometimes more, but then again, I only finished RTK1 recently. I see more and more cards going into that last stack. It's great! Then of course I miss a few, and they run back to the beginning. But it's usually not so bad. I go over the forgotten ones once or twice, and then they start back on their path through the boxes. Just like 90% is a nice goal to shoot for in review, I'd kind of like to see 90% of the kanji in that last RevTK box. It's a fun challenge! (But eventually I'll start RTK3 and have missed cards all over the place.)
Of course, the goal is to keep challenging yourself. I've not stopped learning, and have various SRS decks of sentences and kanji+Japanese keywords to keep me busy. But after all that work, review time is kind of refreshing.
@Ben + Tobberoth <-- Thanks for the advice, I will probably keep them separate. I tried putting kana into my kanji deck when I first started (I knew the kana to read, but my katakana writing was a bit dodgy) and I quickly stopped that because I just got a bit annoyed when a kana came up in the middle of kanji reviews as it ruined my rhythm; so I suppose I it might get on my nerves to have both kanji and sentences in one place.
By the way, could you tell me (or point me to an appropriate post) where is a good place to get beginner sentences from? I went to the bookshop today, where they had thousands of books, but I couldn't find anything that looked like it was worth buying (except for the grammar dictionary, but I was a bit worried that the vocabulary would be really limited because the whole point was to describe grammar, not variety of words). Obviously the problem isn't finding sentences, it is finding useful ones with reliable translations. I suppose I can do my own translations, but it seems like it would be slower, but then I suppose I would learn more...
Sorry for hijacking the thread; no I don't fear the reviews, except if I've been on the beers for a few days and then an absolute mountain has piled up. It used to be much worse than it is now; when I started I didn't fully understand the SRS thing so I clicked hard on every new card, whether I found it hard or not. After a while the reviews became ridiculous, and I thought it probably wasn't particularly beneficial to adopt this approach. As such I started hitting good irrespective of if the card was new or not if I got the answer, and reserved hard for cards that I got right, but were hard. Now the reviews are manageable, and if they go well I really enjoy them.
There are tons of sources for early sentences. Tae Kims www.guidetojapanese.org has some example sentences with the grammar lessons, so those are great to start with to get the grammarsnowball rolling. People also seem to like All About the Particles, a book with tons of example sentences to show the usage of particles.
Personally, I recommend Minna no Nihongo, lots of great easy dialogues about everyday Japanese things to mine from.
Tobberoth wrote:
There are tons of sources for early sentences. Tae Kims www.guidetojapanese.org has some example sentences with the grammar lessons, so those are great to start with to get the grammarsnowball rolling. People also seem to like All About the Particles, a book with tons of example sentences to show the usage of particles.
Personally, I recommend Minna no Nihongo, lots of great easy dialogues about everyday Japanese things to mine from.
Thanks, I'll give them a go.

