am i doing sentences correctly?

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konakona50 Member
From: florida Registered: 2008-08-26 Posts: 103

sorry if this question is annoying, but i'd rather get this out of the way now while i have a little bit of sentences in my srs then later when i have a bunch. anyways.....

On my srs i have 185 sentences but im worried im not learning them the right way.
like lets say I'm reading 東京に着くと、雨が降っていました。 but i don't remember what 着く means or what the kanji's reading is, so then i skip it and read the rest of the sentence and i remember entering the the sentence in and remember that 着く Is つ・く does that still count as as me knowing the sentence?

samesong Member
From: Nagano Registered: 2008-06-13 Posts: 242 Website

Definitely! This is the exact reason you learn words within context.

QuackingShoe Member
From: USA Registered: 2008-04-19 Posts: 721

That's how I do it. Opinions may vary, but I am primarily concerned with remembering words in contexts, so it doesn't matter to me whether I couldn't remember what a word meant or how it was read or how it was written (I review both ways) without the rest of the sentence. If I was concerned about that, I'd just drill vocabulary items in isolation instead.
It's also worth nothing that 着く (and so many other things) can be read multiple ways and with different meanings. For instance, it can also be はく, which means to wear (or put) things on your lower body. Words, especially Japanese words, become pretty meaningless out of context anyway.

Last edited by QuackingShoe (2008 November 14, 11:10 am)

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Mcjon01 Member
From: 大阪 Registered: 2007-04-09 Posts: 551

I think this is an example of a problem that occurs specifically because you don't have much info in your SRS yet.  I wouldn't worry about, since it's bound to happen, and it'll work itself out as your deck grows.  I'd just count it as a pass.

konakona50 Member
From: florida Registered: 2008-08-26 Posts: 103

awesome! i thought i was doing i wrong for a sec there!

Codexus Member
From: Switzerland Registered: 2007-11-27 Posts: 721

I really don't get the point of asking this question. It's your own decision. Is it necessary to have random people from the internet tell you what to do?

konakona50 Member
From: florida Registered: 2008-08-26 Posts: 103

haha it's just that these random people seem like they've been around the block before. me on the other hand i've just began to leave my house.

QuackingShoe Member
From: USA Registered: 2008-04-19 Posts: 721

Codexus wrote:

I really don't get the point of asking this question. It's your own decision. Is it necessary to have random people from the internet tell you what to do?

All of using this particular flashcard program at all, and more specifically filling them with sentences, was due to asking questions about how best to learn Japanese - most frequently directed toward random people from the internet. In some cases directly, but googling for methods and opinions is asking for the advise of others as well.

wccrawford Member
From: FL US Registered: 2008-03-28 Posts: 1551

Codexus wrote:

I really don't get the point of asking this question. It's your own decision. Is it necessary to have random people from the internet tell you what to do?

I learn from others by listening to how they do things and mimicking them.  Creating my own methods from scratch seems wasteful at best and disastrous at the worst.  Once I've mimicked others enough that I think I know what I'm doing, I'll start modifying their methods to better suit my style.

revenantkioku Member
Registered: 2007-06-12 Posts: 103

I wouldn't give myself a 4 or even a 3, but I wouldn't fail the card.
I actually think I've never 0'd a sentence card. Kanji, although, once in a while.

playadom Member
Registered: 2007-06-29 Posts: 468

wccrawford wrote:

Creating my own methods from scratch seems wasteful at best and disastrous at the worst.

If Heisig had this philosophy, none of us would be here today.

wccrawford Member
From: FL US Registered: 2008-03-28 Posts: 1551

playadom wrote:

wccrawford wrote:

Creating my own methods from scratch seems wasteful at best and disastrous at the worst.

If Heisig had this philosophy, none of us would be here today.

If Heisig had used this philosophy with no idea what he was doing, we still wouldn't be here today.

canji Member
From: Portland OR Registered: 2008-07-25 Posts: 52

Codexus wrote:

I really don't get the point of asking this question. It's your own decision. Is it necessary to have random people from the internet tell you what to do?

I don't get the point of your post. What is it to you?

Ask away, I say. And keep it positive everyone else.

konakona50 Member
From: florida Registered: 2008-08-26 Posts: 103

i agreed (^_^) aww the people here are so nice great community we've got here.

Codexus Member
From: Switzerland Registered: 2007-11-27 Posts: 721

canji wrote:

I don't get the point of your post. What is it to you?

I get annoyed when people ask for advice on tiny insignificant points of detail of their study method, especially when they phrase it in a way that implies that there is one correct way of doing it.

Now sharing study methods and asking general advice is fine. But can't people make little judgment calls like this by themselves?

kfmfe04 Member
From: 台北 Registered: 2007-10-21 Posts: 487

Codexus wrote:

canji wrote:

I don't get the point of your post. What is it to you?

I get annoyed when people ask for advice on tiny insignificant points of detail of their study method, especially when they phrase it in a way that implies that there is one correct way of doing it.

Now sharing study methods and asking general advice is fine. But can't people make little judgment calls like this by themselves?

Usually, I'm all for posting questions, but I agree with Codexus on this one - for some reason, there are recently more posts about arbitrary little details of learning technique...  ...but we can always ignore these (we should).

samesong Member
From: Nagano Registered: 2008-06-13 Posts: 242 Website

kfmfe04 wrote:

Codexus wrote:

canji wrote:

I don't get the point of your post. What is it to you?

I get annoyed when people ask for advice on tiny insignificant points of detail of their study method, especially when they phrase it in a way that implies that there is one correct way of doing it.

Now sharing study methods and asking general advice is fine. But can't people make little judgment calls like this by themselves?

Usually, I'm all for posting questions, but I agree with Codexus on this one - for some reason, there are recently more posts about arbitrary little details of learning technique...  ...but we can always ignore these (we should).

And you're both doing a great job.

alantin Member
From: Finland Registered: 2007-05-02 Posts: 346

Codexus wrote:

canji wrote:

I don't get the point of your post. What is it to you?

I get annoyed when people ask for advice on tiny insignificant points of detail of their study method, especially when they phrase it in a way that implies that there is one correct way of doing it.

Now sharing study methods and asking general advice is fine. But can't people make little judgment calls like this by themselves?

It is all about perception. Something that's an arbitrary and insignificant little detail to you often might be a life changing revelation to someone less educated in the matter.

So who defines arbitrary and insignificant?
For a millionaire 400? would be an insignificant amount of money but for many students here that's a months income! Is it then okay for someone to say to both that from now on they have to get by with 400? less a month?
Who decides what's insignificant?

Therefore IMO there are no stupid questions and isn't peer support the major reason for the existence of this community?

PS. I have modified this post six times now and every time I got an error message of "unable to fetch search index words" and it lost my changes.. (-.-)
In the end I deleted it and posted it again..
Anyone else get this lately?

Mcjon01 Member
From: 大阪 Registered: 2007-04-09 Posts: 551

Codexus wrote:

canji wrote:

I don't get the point of your post. What is it to you?

I get annoyed when people ask for advice on tiny insignificant points of detail of their study method, especially when they phrase it in a way that implies that there is one correct way of doing it.

Now sharing study methods and asking general advice is fine. But can't people make little judgment calls like this by themselves?

Honestly, I don't think the way you see these "insignificant" questions is quite right.  I mean, this is just the impression I get, but they aren't really asking questions about "Am I doing this right?".  The real core concern here is "Am I alone?", and it's one that internet forums made to answer.  I know some people are capable of just forging through their worries, confident that they'll figure out if they're justified or not in the end, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong to ask other people if some quirk you've noticed is normal or not.

Raichu Member
From: Australia Registered: 2005-10-27 Posts: 249 Website

wccrawford wrote:

playadom wrote:

wccrawford wrote:

Creating my own methods from scratch seems wasteful at best and disastrous at the worst.

If Heisig had this philosophy, none of us would be here today.

If Heisig had used this philosophy with no idea what he was doing, we still wouldn't be here today.

Actually Heisig wasn't the first to use the technique he did. My high school Jap teacher in the early 1970s occasionally used it with odd kanji.

Heisig's contribution was to apply the technique to thousands kanji in a systematic way.

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