Shirow66
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Registered: 2008-01-27
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I just came across the "drag" primitive at the start of chapter 50, and I was reminded of kanji #514, horse chestnut, where the cliff primitive has that little bent roof in its printed form, just like the drag primitive seems to have. I've been trying to find the correct stroke order for #514 but I haven't had any luck, so my question is, is that really a cliff or a drag primitive in #514?
Katsuo
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This is classified as "cliff" (がんだれ) but in practice is usually written as "drag" (in 栃).
Compare the following kanji, which all contain "cliff" & "ten thousand": 栃励砺蛎
At the moment (2008), 栃 is not a Joyo kanji, but is expected to be added to the list soon. Whether the form will be standardized, I don't know.
Last edited by Katsuo (2008 November 08, 7:47 pm)
This question came up quite a while ago (more than a year I'm sure) and the general consensus IIRC was that even though it looks like drag in some (not all) fonts, it's cliff (left-to-right).
Anyway, although I still think there are a lot of mistakes or errors of omission with regard to stroke order in Heisig, I've also been coming to accept that there are a lot of cases where even among authorities there is no one truly agreed-upon correct way to write certain kanji. This might be one of those cases, although I'm just speculating.
I would say this, though -- even if it so happens that there's no agreement over whether it should be cliff or drag, I think your stroke direction should be probably consistent with the shape. That is to say, if the first stroke is on an angle (drag), you should draw it right-to-left; if it's flat (cliff), you should draw it left-to-right.