Why Heisig Works? ...and other learning methodologies

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kfmfe04 Member
From: 台北 Registered: 2007-10-21 Posts: 487

Anyone have insight into why visual/story memory appears to work better than other methods, like brainless tactile repetition, for Kanji production?

I am also interested in other learning methodologies which might work well, post RtK1...

(I have seen the AJATT thread so no need to mention that here unless you have a comment not already discussed there - thx!)

alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

1. By using mnemonics, you're remembering the kanji in a form that has less to remember because you already have associations to the mnemonics.

2. Mnemonics make associations between what you already know and what you don't know very quickly.

Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

Same reason why 44444 is an easier number to remember than 19362. Your brain can abbreviate it. Instead of thinking "4... then a 4... then a 4...." you simply think "five 4s".

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FutureBlues Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-06-04 Posts: 218

Stronger association.

Like, you might not remember eating cotton candy for the first time if you just had some on your plate at dinner one day, but if instead you were at the county faire with your girlfriend and she kissed you for the first time with her lips covered in cotton-candy, your mind would forge a strong association and it would be difficult, if not impossible for you to forget the first time you had cotton candy because of the strong emotions and robust stimuli you had associated with it.

Making a story is the same way. That's the reason you need to visualize it and imagine it and drown in it. The more you have to anchor that association in your mind, the harder it will be to forget it.

Last edited by FutureBlues (2008 October 16, 9:30 pm)

liosama Member
From: sydney Registered: 2008-03-02 Posts: 896

mmmm cotton candy

bodhisamaya Guest

Imagination and story telling are the oldest and most powerful memory tools there are. It will be most effective if strong emotional attachments and aversions are used in the process.  Insult the senses like the book suggests.  Bring anger, lust, envy, and revulsions from personal experience into it.

vosmiura Member
From: SF Bay Area Registered: 2006-08-24 Posts: 1085

kfmfe04 wrote:

Anyone have insight into why visual/story memory appears to work better than other methods, like brainless tactile repetition, for Kanji production?

Part due to reuse existing knowledge, part due to making the information to be learned more interesting, because our brain is made to automatically filter out most of what we see all day that doesn't seem interesting to us.

A complex kanji with no rhyme nor reason is both hard to factor & boring to the brain, so it takes a lot of forcing to learn.

Last edited by vosmiura (2008 October 17, 3:46 am)

kfmfe04 Member
From: 台北 Registered: 2007-10-21 Posts: 487

I guess what shocks me is, different modes of memory appear to have totally different retention rates and rates of absorption.

From the replies, I can rant off the following:

1. Visual Memory (stories, RtK)
2. Tactile Memory (writing Kanji, playing the piano)
3. Aural Memory
4. Emotional Memory (stories)
5. Memory Compression (mnemonics)

So now comes the hard question:  what methodologies have you found that works best for studying GRAMMAR.  Because grammar is abstract and Japanese grammar doesn't map well to English, it seems difficult to use any of the five methods above.

I posted this question initially, because I was wondering, with everyone working so hard to become fluent in Japanese, has anyone come across a Heisig-level-effective way to study Japanese grammar?  Just so we have a concrete frame of reference, let us say, we focus on understanding and being able to use the 200 or so grammar constructs in JLPT2.

vosmiura Member
From: SF Bay Area Registered: 2006-08-24 Posts: 1085

I don't know of a better way to learn the grammar than getting a good explanation, seeing it used and using it a lot.

Reply #10 - 2008 October 18, 6:49 am
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

vosmiura wrote:

I don't know of a better way to learn the grammar than getting a good explanation, seeing it used and using it a lot.

This. Grammar isn't something you should memorize, it's something you should understand. The better you understand it, the better you will remember it, both what it means and how it's used. Get a GOOD grammar dictionary (there are quite a few) and it needs to contain:

1. The grammar point and variations of it.
2. Description of how it's used and what it means.
3. Example sentences of varying difficulty.
4. An explanation how the use is different in the various sentences.
5. Exceptions and similars. What other grammar points can be exchanged for it and in which situations? Why can this one not be used with those words?

The best book I've found for this, which contains all of the above and more, is "A dictionary of advanced Japanese grammar 日本語文法辞典" by Seiichi Makino and Michio Tsutsui. There are 3 versions, basic, intermediate and advanced. I only own the advanced book and it's REALLY advanced, so I really recommend it. There are previews on Amazon so you can read some pages in the books.

Reply #11 - 2008 October 19, 7:51 am
CandyCane Member
Registered: 2008-09-27 Posts: 13

Right, any language should not be memorized... At least not short-term. It should be natural repetition, as the way we learned 'most' of our grammar growing up. I know a lot of people will admit, who the hell knows what a conjunction is? I really paid no attention to what a 'noun, pronoun' was up until a few years ago. However I knew how to use them perfectly, and so on.

Back in gradeschool, about 6th grade and below when grammar was crucial. I remember specifically not following the directions for the most part, I always see it as a waste of time. (I am wrong in most cases, but I am too stubborn.) Instead of following the directions in my grammar book, I would always just read the example sentences, and sort of "feel" my way into the right sentence. Mostly I would get it right, but sometimes it would take me 12 times before I realized what I did wrong. Thats the key though, failing some of it is better than remembering a boring grammar rule once and forgetting it. When you use your honed ability to "feel" things such as music and even a language, you can and will learn more efficiently/naturally.

One more interesting point in learning by doing, instead of by memorizing. Up until about last year, I didn't know the terms for writing a proper paper, like the 1-3-1 format. Now I just took the time to learn about it, guess what. I was already doing it way before I actually paid attention to how it was done, and I had practiced through writing on forums just like this one for years.

What I am trying to convey here is, no one memorizes grammar... At least that is not the way one actually "learns" to put it into live action. Not even natives, like I said, ask any English speaker out of gradeschool what some of the basic grammar terms mean and do, they mostly cannot even tell you. Albeit, they can still speak perfectly fine.

For the record, English is my top class and mostly always has been. Also I am not bragging by any means, I feel the need to express some of my experiences in order for readers to understand what I mean. smile

Last edited by CandyCane (2008 October 19, 8:00 am)

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