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Reply #26 - 2008 October 06, 7:06 pm
Mcjon01 Member
From: 大阪 Registered: 2007-04-09 Posts: 551

Wait, since when do you have to be a Japanophile to like music from Japan?  And for that matter, since when does the geographic location of a band have anything to do with its quality?  There's enough people making music out there that you could probably go just about anywhere in the world and manage to find a sound that you like.

Reply #27 - 2008 October 06, 7:10 pm
dilandau23 Member
From: Japan Registered: 2006-09-13 Posts: 330

I suggest you discuss music in the music thread.  My environment is a book, Anki, and Kenkyusha via EBWin.

Reply #28 - 2008 October 06, 8:08 pm
samesong Member
From: Nagano Registered: 2008-06-13 Posts: 242 Website

Where are you guys getting your dictionaries?

No need for a screenshot for me, either. When watching a J-drama, I take advantage of having a dual-screen setup. When I hear an interesting phrase/something I don't qutie understand I jot it down on one screen while continue to watch on the other.

When I'm on RTK, there is a great plugin for firefox called leechblock. It's a simple plugin that allows you to block off specified websites for an amount of time; basically everything except for RTK and a couple other sites I use when studying here areb blocked. I strongly recommend this program if you want to cut out distractions.

Anki is simple. Fullscreen it, close all programs, and study until my stack is clear.

Simplicity is best for me.

Last edited by samesong (2008 October 06, 8:08 pm)

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Reply #29 - 2008 October 06, 8:12 pm
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

Most Japanese music is pretty terrible. The only thing I've ever found that I've liked is jazz here. Not everyone who studies Japanese is a Japanophile.

Most people I've talked to who are of that opinion have only been exposed to the crap that fanboys spread across the internet. (music meant for preteen girls, anime music, "bands" which put more effort into their fashion than their music, etc) As an example, maybe .5% of the stuff on jpopsuki is any good and it never gets seeded for long. However, the Japanese music industry is the largest in the world, so there is still a LOT out there that never gets spread around much outside of Japan.

Reply #30 - 2008 October 06, 8:40 pm
FutureBlues Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-06-04 Posts: 218

Jarvik7 wrote:

Most Japanese music is pretty terrible. The only thing I've ever found that I've liked is jazz here. Not everyone who studies Japanese is a Japanophile.

Most people I've talked to who are of that opinion have only been exposed to the crap that fanboys spread across the internet. (music meant for preteen girls, anime music, "bands" which put more effort into their fashion than their music, etc) As an example, maybe .5% of the stuff on jpopsuki is any good and it never gets seeded for long. However, the Japanese music industry is the largest in the world, so there is still a LOT out there that never gets spread around much outside of Japan.

That's interesting, but I can't say its relevant in this case. I live in Japan.

Although, I suppose my tastes vary more than most people who are studying Japanese. I can't really stand anything but the literature here, but its generally pretty good. I don't understand how people can watch J-Drama though... The most popular shows are so shallow and overacted that they bother me just being on, even when I'm not paying attention (usually at restaurants). I do like the physical comedy here, but even then, my tastes are pretty narrow-- there are only a few comedians that I really like (Downtown and their ilk, basically.) However, to sit and study from (Japanese television dramas) sounds a lot like being slowly suffocated with a soft pillow.

Last edited by FutureBlues (2008 October 06, 8:48 pm)

Reply #31 - 2008 October 06, 9:43 pm
scout Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2005-11-29 Posts: 63

lerris wrote:

Jarvik7 wrote:

Dunno about Vista, maybe if you have the highest end edition you can switch languages.

As far as Vista goes, to the best of my knowledge, only the Ultimate and Enterprise editions allow you to change the interface language (on a per-user basis). For all others you probably have to buy a copy for the language you want to use.

All versions of Vista use the same MUI files for language information.  With the exception of Ultimate and Enterprise, the system can only use one set of MUI files at once.  That said, methods do exist for globally changing the system MUI pack.

Reply #32 - 2008 October 06, 9:46 pm
alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

Most Japanese music is pretty terrible. The only thing I've ever found that I've liked is jazz here. Not everyone who studies Japanese is a Japanophile.

Most mainstream Japanese music is terrible. It's the same here in America.

Edit:

Jarvik7 wrote:

Most Japanese music is pretty terrible. The only thing I've ever found that I've liked is jazz here. Not everyone who studies Japanese is a Japanophile.

Most people I've talked to who are of that opinion have only been exposed to the crap that fanboys spread across the internet. (music meant for preteen girls, anime music, "bands" which put more effort into their fashion than their music, etc) As an example, maybe .5% of the stuff on jpopsuki is any good and it never gets seeded for long. However, the Japanese music industry is the largest in the world, so there is still a LOT out there that never gets spread around much outside of Japan.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Last edited by alyks (2008 October 06, 9:49 pm)

mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Well, I'm not into imersion too. But using the PC in japanese is helping me with katakana and a few kanjis. Google set to japanese helps a lot too.

About the time bomb thing, I think I dont need it. I would need it if it was for getting me out of adding/reviewing sentences (yes, I have an adiction).

Reply #34 - 2008 October 07, 3:51 am
nickoakden Member
From: England Registered: 2008-08-06 Posts: 42 Website

Time bomb?! Study or die? I *like* it!


Also:

CaLeDee wrote:

nickoakden wrote:

Erubey wrote:

I don't really like Japanese music.

That's like saying "I don't like music". They've got everything.

Whats wrong with that? I've never been interested in music o.O

Aaa!

Reply #35 - 2008 October 07, 4:30 am
shakkun Member
Registered: 2007-11-23 Posts: 173

alyks wrote:

I just found the Japanese MUI online and installed that. I'm not allowed to say where here.

Hey thanks for the tip. I got Japanese XP a while ago but I was putting off switching because I didn't want to have to reinstall all my drivers/programs. Don't know why I didn't think of that.

I usually just have whatever I'm watching open with either 三省堂 or 広辞苑 J/J dictionaries and notepad to jot down quotes. But right now I'm going through AAP. I'm so over seeing particles I THINK I know only to find out they're doing something completely different.

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I can't really have video while I'm studying though. Music is okay. I like the timer thing for doing doing like, 10 minutes focused study, ten minutes of a movie/drama etc.

I have a virtual desktop program at the bottom so I usually have a bunch of screens going at once. My computer makes me look completely ADHD.

Reply #36 - 2008 October 07, 4:41 am
Tobberoth Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-08-25 Posts: 3364

FutureBlues wrote:

Tobberoth wrote:

Erubey wrote:


I listen to japanese jazz and hardcore bands. So, they either don't have vocals or use english. I just mean that japanese media, the type that would you would use for immersion, just doesn't interest me.

Well, maybe you would find some you like if you gave it a chance? I don't expect everyone to like mellow rock, but since there's so much japanese music of relatively high quality, I find it hard to believe that you can only listen to and enjoy japanese jazz and hardcore... (I like jazz but I loathe hardcore so I will refrain from recommending any bands, I doubt you would like my picks). You could check around listen.jp and stuff for the bands that aren't as popular as the "wow-this-song-was-in-naruto-so-every-japanophile-in-the-world-loves-it" kind of band (I assume those are the kind of bands you been listening to the most since they are EVERYWHERE on the internet, and I wouldn't be suprised if you came to terms with not liking it before you found something you really like or at least can listen to enough for immersion.)

Most Japanese music is pretty terrible. The only thing I've ever found that I've liked is jazz here. Not everyone who studies Japanese is a Japanophile.

The majority of any music genre or media overall is terrible. 80% of hollywood movies suck. 80% of american music suck. The difference in this case is just a language. Of course most of Japanese music suck, but there's just as much good music ratiowise as there is in any other countrys music. No one said everyone who studies Japanese is a Japanophile, in fact, I more or less said the opposite.

Reply #37 - 2008 October 07, 5:10 am
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

Anybody managed to run AppLocale (for the Japanese codepage), on top of AGTH + Japanese text adventure game ? (that is, without having to set the default codepage to Japanese, which some programs don't like).

iSoron : that is a beautifully simple timer.

Reply #38 - 2008 October 07, 7:41 am
iSoron Member
From: Canada Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 490

alyks wrote:

That's nifty, iSoran. I personally need the alarm function in some cases, though. If you added that functionality, I would definitely use it.

I slightly updated it. It can now play a sound file or execute an arbitrary program when the time is up. Here's a windows version. But you have to install PyGTK first.

Shirow66 Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2008-01-27 Posts: 50

First of all, great thread.

alyks wrote:

5. Script for show playing. If I can't figure out a word, I'll search for it on the script. If I find it, it's instant context. Sometimes I hit a word in the script that's describing what's happening in the show and that's awesome.

I'm not sure I understood what you were saying here. When you say script, you mean a text file of the spoken dialog in Japanese? If so, won't it always be "what's happening in the show" ?

Last edited by Shirow66 (2008 October 07, 11:46 am)

alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

Shirow66 wrote:

First of all, great thread.

alyks wrote:

5. Script for show playing. If I can't figure out a word, I'll search for it on the script. If I find it, it's instant context. Sometimes I hit a word in the script that's describing what's happening in the show and that's awesome.

I'm not sure I understood what you were saying here. When you say script, you mean a text file of the spoken dialog in Japanese? If so, won't it always be "what's happening in the show" ?

As in, a script with most of the spoken dialog that also describes the character's actions in the show. Example:

食堂にいくと、生徒がプリンを食べていた。
「プリン・・・。」

Reply #41 - 2008 October 07, 5:21 pm
Transtic Member
Registered: 2007-07-29 Posts: 201

ファブリス wrote:

Anybody managed to run AppLocale (for the Japanese codepage), on top of AGTH + Japanese text adventure game ? (that is, without having to set the default codepage to Japanese, which some programs don't like).

Actually, with AGTH you don't need to use Applocale - you may need to have it installed, though. big_smile

This is from AGTH's website:

/R option will try to correct locale to japanese (or any other if specified).
/L option will work exactly as running program under AppLocale (also this option requires installed AppLocale).