Readings are killing me

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Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

I am having a really hard time remembering the readings or meanings of words! I'll usually have little trouble at all writing the kanji for a hiragana phrase, but the other way around, I just keep getting them mixed up. Also, with lots of short little phrases that I picked out from "Making out in Japanese", I just keep drawing a complete blank as far as what the phrase means. I'll keep failing the cards in anki, and see them multiple times throughout a day, but they often never make it to more than a few day long interval.
I've been trying to come up with ways to make stories or mnemonics like I did with RTK, but I just can't come up with any good way of doing it.

Is anyone else having similar troubles? Any ideas?

mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

When I have trouble with the readings with a kanji, I add a few sentences with words using that kanji.
I'm also putting the readings in places, like in alyks movie method. But I'm not stressing it too much.

stehr Member
From: california Registered: 2007-09-25 Posts: 281

The best way to combat this is to add more sentences using the vocabulary that you keep failing.  It really makes them stick for both long and short term.

I usually get tripped up on the kunyomi readings with 3-4 kana syllables, but if it's onyomi then referring to rtk2 is a sure shot.

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mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

I do the same as nest0r does, but I try to keep the same place for the same sounds. Like a Rock Show for しょう reading.

abaddon Member
From: The Netherlands Registered: 2007-12-09 Posts: 48

Hehe.. I think I'm using the same method. And I also use the Sai of Hikaru no Go... smile Of the kanji that I keep forgetting the readings of after a few tries, I just write down the reading, and then the Heisig keyword. As I add more vocabulary to Anki (and meet more kanji+readings), the consequence is that for many readings, already two or more keywords have been attached. For example, with reading ちゅう, I have now keyword 'pour' (#267) and 'mid-air' (#1109). (The main storyline is the Chewie from Starwars).

I'm not sure, but I think this way of doing it is similar to the kanji chain method, only here the story 'evolves' as more keywords get added for the reading. On the opposite, in the kanji chain method -as I understand it- you create one story for a single reading and add all relevant keywords (which can be a huge amount)...

snispilbor Member
From: Ohio USA Registered: 2008-03-23 Posts: 150 Website

Mentat and stehr hit the nail on the head.  Concentrate more sentences on the harder vocab...  it can be hard though if the vocab doesn't have lots of sample sentences at the usual sources (yahoo dictionary etc).

One other thing.. how much do you listen to Japanese?  I've gotten lots of exposure to spoken Japanese, through anime, music, Japanese friends and actually going to Japan.  As a consequence, I often have an "intuitive" idea how to read words.  It's the same way in English, where there's little correlation between spelling and pronunciation...

mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Lots. And lately I started watching everything without subs. Major difference. I dont understand a lot, but this is not the point. It kinda gets some hits combo with the sentences.

Last edited by mentat_kgs (2008 September 14, 4:00 pm)

chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

Zarxrax,

If you read the Wikipedia entry for "kanji", you'll see that most onyomi derive mostly from
4 different dynasties in China. In reality, there is no general pattern for readings.

You just have to know the word and that's all it comes down to.

So I would tend to agree with mentat_kgs's suggestions and find sentences
that use those different readings.

IMHO, not all readings are useful. If it's never going to be used in any words that you see/read/hear/speak, then there's no need to memorize it.

Anyway, good luck with everything.

Last edited by chamcham (2008 September 14, 5:51 pm)

phauna Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2007-12-25 Posts: 500 Website

If you're doing KO, then there is a lot of repetition later on, so just keep failing words, and eventually you will see them in other sentences.  If you're collecting them randomly, then you should add more context or words with the same readings for each of the readings you're having problems with.  Also, I've begun to notice some phonetic markers in kanji, they aren't very consistent, but when I see them they get noticed.  For example, kanji with the 市 radical in them often have a reading of せい, and ones with the  父 particle in them often use こう.  They:re not very useful as a complete system, but kind of assist in guessing a reading sometimes.  The more readings you know, the more likely you can guess part of a word, which makes it a little easier.

Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

I'm not having a lot of trouble with KO, which I guess it partly because it does repeat a lot of readings. The ones I am having trouble with, I do only have one card for them, so I will try and add more cards.

phauna Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2007-12-25 Posts: 500 Website

I think the making out in japanese stuff is quite idiomatic, so the words don't actually match the real meaning in many cases.  It's just rote learning and there's not much to be done about it I think.

alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

Zarxrax wrote:

I'm not having a lot of trouble with KO, which I guess it partly because it does repeat a lot of readings. The ones I am having trouble with, I do only have one card for them, so I will try and add more cards.

Understanding Basic Japanese Grammar is cool like this, too.

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