TunS77
New member
From: Ireland
Registered: 2008-08-30
Posts: 3
First of all I'd like to say hello as this is my first post, so... Hello everyone!
Well I begun the RTK method about 4 days ago or so, and already I can remember around 323 kanji (this actually amazed me because I usually have such a low retention rate). I'll get to the point, while I was progressing through the Kanji, forming new stories and mnenomics, I began to forget my previous ones... however I still remember the meaning of the older kanji :-S . I would like to know is this supposed to happen? or is this a sign (兆 XD!) that I am begining to forget them?
johnzep
Member
From: moriya, ibaraki
Registered: 2006-05-14
Posts: 373
It's normal to forget some kanji as they advance through the stacks...The point of the system is that the website takes care of all the scheduling details, so try not to worry about it. (Unless you fail a kanji repeatedly, in which case you probably need to rework you story)
And if your retention rate starts to drop (people have different theories on this, but I'll toss out below 80%), you probably need to reduce the number of new cards. Sounds like you're doing 80 or 90 cards a day, which is quite a lot. It's doable, but as time goes on, you will have a lot of reviews to keep up with.
QuackingShoe
Member
From: USA
Registered: 2008-04-19
Posts: 721
I'm not sure what you're saying, are you saying you're forgetting your stories but not the kanji? If so, while it's ULTIMATELY not a problem to forget the stories (they're just tools), it's a problem to do so this early. I wouldn't fail the cards, just make sure to go through the story over again in your mind when you review them. This is because the story will probably stick in your memory, uhm, middle-term better than the kanji will. Since you've only been doing it for 4 days, there's still a lot of short term memory working in your ability to simply recall a kanji without the mnemonic, so, again, reinforce the stories when you drill the kanji so that you can hopefully continue to remember them later.
TunS77
New member
From: Ireland
Registered: 2008-08-30
Posts: 3
Thanks for the advice, I see what you mean about eventually forgetting the stories is fine, when I am proficient enough... Like when I see Kanji like 私、人 etc... I don't think I'll ever have a problem remembering them. So all in all, I should make more of an effort with the stories and reduce my daily Kanji, although as I work my way up I expect the Kanji get a lot more complicated and I'll be forced to slow down!
Thanks again Johnzep, Cerulean, and QuackingShoe.
Last edited by TunS77 (2008 September 05, 10:41 am)
Samsara
Member
From: USA
Registered: 2008-06-30
Posts: 33
I went through the first few chapters very quickly, using very few stories. I just remembered most of the kanji on sight. However, once I got further along, I ran into a lot of problems with interfernce: i.e. I started learning new kanji that were similar to the earlier ones, and I began to get the two confused. I had to go back and relearn the previous ones with better stories in order to differentiate between similar ones.
This is why 切 has the highest failure rate in my deck despite its simplicity. It quickly made its way into the fourth stack, but then once I was around 500 kanji, I suddenly started confusing it with other kanji every time I saw it!
The moral of the, erm, story is... spend time making good stories now even when the kanji seem very easy. Things only get harder as you go along, so you want to lay a good foundation.
Zarxrax
Member
From: North Carolina
Registered: 2008-03-24
Posts: 949
In my opinion, the kanji don't really get any more complicated. They DO build on previous kanji though, so if you don't learn a certain one very well, then it can be a problem when you encounter other kanji that use the same parts. If something gets used over and over in lots of kanji though, you shouldn't have any problem with it... its just the ones that don't get used often that I tend to have difficulty with. The main problem you will have as you get further and further along, is simply that your stack of expired cards gets bigger, and bigger, and bigger.
Tobberoth
Member
From: Sweden
Registered: 2008-08-25
Posts: 3364
Trust me, rely on the stories. If you don't remember the stories, make new better ones. You might think you know the kanji well enough, but what you're doing is wasting all that the imaginative memory style gives you. I studied kanji for a year in Japan and I learned almost 800 kanji... a few months later, while I could still read them, I couldn't write most of them. Was it because I never learned them well enough? No, it was because I knew many similar kanji and I remembered how they looked but made tiny errors. An extra stroke here, misplaced radical there... The stories make sure you write the kanji 100% correct, all the time. Eventually, there will be kanji where you do not remember the stories (epecially radicals since they are usually hard to make good stories for) and that's not really a problem but try to keep that to a minimum. It will help you down the line.