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Reply #176 - 2009 March 11, 10:36 pm
yukkuri_kame Member
From: Florida US Registered: 2008-05-30 Posts: 185

torida wrote:

There's an app called Zoome App Town full of videos reviewing iPhone apps and quick tips, and they're all in Japanese!!!!! (which seems to have annoyed the first reviewer amusingly, but I'm very happy about it smile )

It's free too!

They also have another one called Zoome TDKI, which appears to be entirely anime.

Reply #177 - 2009 March 11, 11:00 pm
mistamark Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-03-26 Posts: 127 Website

Floatingweed5 wrote:

I wonder if there is any language learning potential in the new voiceover feature in the ipod shuffle. (Essentially it speaks the name of the artist and song title to you in any of 14 different languages - including japanese).

<snip>

I'm sure the process could be easily scripted by someone with a bit of technical knowledge.

Could make for a useful tool... especially if the feature was written into future software updates to the phone/touch.

I wrote an app that will do this (I think, what you want, anyway):

http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=2850

If you use VW Paul as the voice it is pretty spot on. After a while you forget it's a machine. I've been using it a few days as background audio when I'm on the bus etc and it's really helping to make my stories stick.

Reply #178 - 2009 March 12, 1:10 am
yukkuri_kame Member
From: Florida US Registered: 2008-05-30 Posts: 185

Cliffius wrote:

Just out of curiosity to the people using iDic, what dictionaries do you have loaded on it and what do you recommend?

I'd love to hear an answer to this question.

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Reply #179 - 2009 March 12, 1:53 pm
hotkiller123 Member
From: Belgium Registered: 2009-01-05 Posts: 52

Ipod Touch 2G can now be jailbreaked!!!
Do it now for more japanese learning possibilities tongue

Reply #180 - 2009 March 13, 2:27 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Wow, this is annoying. I got the iPod Touch yesterday, and still have not been able to get a single .pdf, .zip, or .cbz onto the thing. It's something to do with the wifi download we're forced to do.

Am I missing something? I installed BonJour, SyncDocs, Air Sharing, the apps above for Comics, etc. but the wi fi downloading is the show stopper. Did I miss a step, or is it my laptop?

Reply #181 - 2009 March 13, 4:16 pm
hotkiller123 Member
From: Belgium Registered: 2009-01-05 Posts: 52

You have to jailbreak your ipod touch, then you can use iComic (it works really great btw). And then some other steps to be able to put files onto it. At least, this is how I done it, there might be other possibilities. But the jailbreaking is worth it anyway, for a lot of other cool options...
If you want more detailed instructions please send me a pm with your e-mail with what you want (and if you have 1G or 2G) because I'm not sure if I can just say it in this forum.

Reply #182 - 2009 March 13, 6:16 pm
ichigoichie Member
Registered: 2009-03-13 Posts: 14

I tryied this iAnki via Google Gears on my ipod touch. Unfortunately this version doesn't support Audio (a little bit annoying if you can only see the hash of the Audiofile in the questionfield).

Does the jailbreak-Anki Version support Audio? Pictures? If yes, how does it affect the synchronization (how long)?

Reply #183 - 2009 March 13, 7:00 pm
hotkiller123 Member
From: Belgium Registered: 2009-01-05 Posts: 52

@ichigoichie
Have a look at the app StudyArcade
I don't know it myself pretty good but I think it's better than iAnki

Reply #184 - 2009 March 13, 7:37 pm
Ryuujin27 Member
Registered: 2006-12-14 Posts: 824

hotkiller123 wrote:

@ichigoichie
Have a look at the app StudyArcade
I don't know it myself pretty good but I think it's better than iAnki

I have to say I'm a little annoyed with StudyArcade at the moment. I spent a hell of a long time waiting for it to come out, with tons of promises for it to be a SRS that can sync with anki and do all that good stuff... but as it turns out, it's simply mediocre. The SRS is questionable at this point (wrote a long mail to the developer and still have not heard anything back), and the syncing is also iffy.

One of my primary problems: say you review using sentence + kanji --> kana sentence AND kana sentence --> sentence with kanji. Well, StudyArcade can't do this. Or at least my 3 hours of fiddling managed to provide no way to do this. Though granted, I couldn't do more than 3 or 4 tests because eventually I was unable to delete and resync my cards anymore.

Needless to say, I'm quite disappointed.

Reply #185 - 2009 March 13, 7:50 pm
chochajin Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-07-13 Posts: 520 Website

Nukemarine wrote:

Am I missing something? I installed BonJour, SyncDocs, Air Sharing, the apps above for Comics, etc. but the wi fi downloading is the show stopper. Did I miss a step, or is it my laptop?

I don't know what's wrong, so I can't help you, BUT you don't need to jailbreak your ipod touch if you want to use icomics. I use it without problems and I don't use a jailbroken one.
You don't need wifi to transfer your comics onto your ipod. A normal usb cable will do. Just download a program like DiskAd smile

Reply #186 - 2009 March 13, 8:33 pm
shakkun Member
Registered: 2007-11-23 Posts: 173

ichigoichie wrote:

Does the jailbreak-Anki Version support Audio? Pictures? If yes, how does it affect the synchronization (how long)?

Yes, the jailbreak-Anki supports audio and pictures. It does not affect synchronisation because syncing media is not supported at all yet. When it is, how much longer it takes to sync will depend on your wi-fi connection.

Reply #187 - 2009 March 13, 10:42 pm
Ryuujin27 Member
Registered: 2006-12-14 Posts: 824

Hey shakkun, you said you took screenshots of the comics you viewed in iComic to create pictures.

How did you screenshot using iComic?

Reply #188 - 2009 March 14, 12:50 am
ichigoichie Member
Registered: 2009-03-13 Posts: 14

shakkun wrote:

Yes, the jailbreak-Anki supports audio and pictures. It does not affect synchronisation because syncing media is not supported at all yet. When it is, how much longer it takes to sync will depend on your wi-fi connection.

But it's possible to transfer the media manually, isn't it?!
Otherwise it doesn't make sense to me.

Reply #189 - 2009 March 14, 2:34 am
shakkun Member
Registered: 2007-11-23 Posts: 173

ichigoichie wrote:

But it's possible to transfer the media manually, isn't it?!
Otherwise it doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, you transfer your media folder manually via WinSCP.

Ryuujin27 wrote:

Hey shakkun, you said you took screenshots of the comics you viewed in iComic to create pictures.

How did you screenshot using iComic?

Hold down the sleep button on the top left and then press the round Home button. The screenshot gets saved to your photos.

Last edited by shakkun (2009 March 14, 2:35 am)

Reply #190 - 2009 March 14, 4:40 am
hotkiller123 Member
From: Belgium Registered: 2009-01-05 Posts: 52

shakkun wrote:

Yes, you transfer your media folder manually via WinSCP.

Don't forget to install openSSH first via cyndia wink

Reply #191 - 2009 March 14, 1:02 pm
Ryuujin27 Member
Registered: 2006-12-14 Posts: 824

shakkun wrote:

Hold down the sleep button on the top left and then press the round Home button. The screenshot gets saved to your photos.

You, sir, are a lifesaver!

Also, as far as the file transferring: for those with a Mac, get Cyberduck and save yourself some headaches wink

Last edited by Ryuujin27 (2009 March 14, 1:03 pm)

Reply #192 - 2009 March 18, 10:39 pm
yukkuri_kame Member
From: Florida US Registered: 2008-05-30 Posts: 185

Kanji LS Touch, $12 - 2.5 or 3 stars

The Kanji LS app uses iphone's touch screen for practicing and testing "fingerpainted" kanji.  In test mode, you are given the english meaning or the kana.  You produce the kanji.  Then you compare the character side by side with the app's version of the character.
No OCR, so you are the judge of the side-by-side kanji - which is probably better than some program.

You can also sequence through the stroke order to see how your stroke order matched the official stroke order.  It does keep track of the order in which you wrote the kanji.  The app has severe limitations (no SRS or customized decks, for starters), but the drawing part of it works pretty well.

If you want to practice fingerpainting kanji by rote, this app will allow you to do that. The practice mode does a decent job of showing stroke order and you just follow along with your fingertips.

If you exit the app and re-open it does not remember where you were in the deck. VERY FRUSTRATING if you were somewhere midway through the 700+ jlpt2 kanji. Even if you remembered which # you were at, there is no feature to be able to go to that card.

Wish list for this app:
* ability to easily customize decks, for example a button that says add to practice list
* ability to pick up where you left off after exiting and reopening the app
* an outline of the drawing area, so you actually know how much space you have to draw the kanji in
* ability to navigate to a certain kanji by kana or english meaning
* a couple of jyukugyo (compounds) with below each kanji.
* I suppose it would be way too much to ask for a SRS feature for optimal efficiency in retaining kanji.

Bottom line, this app is very basic, especially considering the price, but it does let you practice drawing your kanji over and over, and for that reason, I do use it. Great for fiddling with something while talking on the phone without the other person feeling ignored.  It has a lot of room for improvement. I would consider adding more stars if more features were added.

Reply #193 - 2009 March 18, 11:13 pm
yukkuri_kame Member
From: Florida US Registered: 2008-05-30 Posts: 185

Gengou Flashcards, currently $6 for a limited time

From the japanesepod101.com folks.  This app has lots of promise.    Basically, it is a flashcard program using audio and visual inputs.  In study mode, you see some pictures and hear a word that relates to.  You flip the card to read the english and see the kanji - in ridiculously small type.

In test mode, it's multiple choice... you hear the word spoken, and have to touch the picture of the thing you are hearing. 

The premade cards are fairly worthless.  They are very basic vocabulary, mostly nouns, such as vegetables or fruit names.  Some of the photos don't make sense at all. 

Where this app gets fun is that you can quickly make your own cards.  You can add photos from the phone's photo library, or take a photo from within the app, and audio via the built in mic.  Great use of iphone's hardware: camera and microphone. 

So, yesterday while riding the the tozai line, I was able to take photos of the kanji signs at the station and stand under the speaker on the train to record the announcements - viola - kanji practice including A/V.  Another use would be to take photos of every sign you see around town, and when you corral a poor native speaker, have them read the signs into your mic in one go.  You can make fairly long audio recordings, for sentences, paragraphs or longer.  For example, I could read aloud and record this entire paragraph.  You can leave space for sentence shadowing if you like. 

The one big problem I had was that about half the time I took photos from within the app yesterday, the app crashed - halfway through creating card...erasing any text I had typed in and any recorded sounds.  For now, I will simply add photos from the photo library and hope they fix the bug. 

The biggest downside of this app, of course, is NO SRS - drats, foiled again.

Bottom line, a FUN and easy way to learn.

Reply #194 - 2009 March 19, 1:43 am
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

I don't see why you'd need anything other than iDic (or kotoba if you don't have any EPWING files) and iAnki/anki mini, plus maybe a copy of gflash if you want to cram.

..and they're all free!

Last edited by Jarvik7 (2009 March 19, 1:45 am)

Reply #195 - 2009 March 19, 3:33 am
yukkuri_kame Member
From: Florida US Registered: 2008-05-30 Posts: 185

Jarvik7 wrote:

吾 着on't 見ee why you'd 要eed anything 他ther than iDic (or kotoba if you 着on't have any EPWING files) and iAnki/anki mini, plus maybe a 写opy 之f gflash if you want to cram.

..and they're 皆ll free!

Where to get EPWING files and do you have a favorite?

Reply #196 - 2009 March 19, 9:41 am
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

Legally: Buy the EPWING version of the dictionaries from Amazon/bookstore, or get access through your post-secondary institution.
Illegally: teh intarw3bz (such as emule)

EPWING are just digital versions of real professional dictionaries. My favorites are 研究社新和英大辞典(aka green goddess)+英辞典郎+EDICT (in that order) for when I translate, and 大辞林+広辞苑+学研漢和大辞典(it's better than 漢字源) for when I study.

Reply #197 - 2009 May 28, 11:43 am
yukkuri_kame Member
From: Florida US Registered: 2008-05-30 Posts: 185

Been using Kotoba for a while now, and for the most part I am quite happy with it, except for the lack of history or bookmark features and example sentences. 

New app out there, Gengo Japanese Talking Dictionary $20 seems to have some great features, but I am waiting to hear some more reviews.  Uses Jim Breen's edict.  It is put out by the japanesepod101.com folks.  As a reviewer on itunes pointed out, they seem to be throwing out a bunch of apps to see what sticks.  So far, this looks like the most complete dictionary/japanese learner's tool out there.

120,000+ word dictionary
over 100,000 samples of native audio pronunciation
feature to record your own voice and compare to the samples using iphone's mic
130,000 example sentences from Eijiro
stroke order diagrams
history and bookmarks
some sort of flash card system
Seems to have some sort of radical search feature

Anyone interested in the "Japanese" app, it is currently on sale for $13 instead of $20.  The promised major update is many months delayed

Reply #198 - 2009 May 28, 4:02 pm
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

Why would you pay good money for an EDICT parser? There are plenty of professional dictionaries on the appstore, or EPWING readers.

Also, eijiro example sentences are rough Japanese approximations of source English sentences. I certainly wouldn't study from them. It's primarily a tool for translators and ESL students.

Reply #199 - 2009 May 28, 4:55 pm
yukkuri_kame Member
From: Florida US Registered: 2008-05-30 Posts: 185

As I stated in the previous post, it's not EDICT as a dictionary itself that is appealing - but the features that make it more useful as a study tool.  The professional dictionaries in the app store are mostly directed at ESL or advanced japanese learners, if I am not mistaken. 

Currently, I use Kotoba when I am out and about in Japan, and it is sufficient for that moment, but I don't end up retaining much of what I learn because I don't have a convenient method for bookmarking or reviewing what I've looked up on any given day. 

I don't mind paying $20 for an app that meets my needs and makes my japanese study easier - even if it is just a glorified edict parser. 

Thanks for the info regarding eijiro example sentences.  Source matters.

Reply #200 - 2009 May 28, 5:31 pm
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

Currently the most used dictionary on my iPod touch is Kenkyuusha's Shin waei/eiwa chuujiten (native app, not EPWING). Being the chuujiten it's very accessible to beginners as well as advanced (although I do wish the daijiten was available). It also has a very slick interface and bookmarking functions. It doesn't have sound samples or some of the gimmicks that you noted about the other app, but I doubt I'd use them anyways. Proper definitions with reliable example sentences are better than simple/vague 1 word glosses any day.

One weak point is that there is no character dictionary in the package, but I find the free version of ShinKanji to be enough.