What to do after 1110 Kanji in KO?

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smujohnson Member
From: Canada Registered: 2008-03-13 Posts: 92

Dear Kanji enthusiasts,

It seems as though the detailed info of a Kanji are only limited to the first 1110 of the Kanji Odyssey series.

Can someone please give me a detailed explanation of what is missing from the Level 3 kanji's?  I'm interesting in KO because its Onyomi and Kunyomi readings are much better and more detailed than RTK2.  How did I come to this conclusion?  The character in RTK1 frame# 552 -> accomplished is the Kanji for -tachi in oretachi, bokutachi, watashitachi, etc etc... as well as the kanji in tomodachi.  But the readings for this kanji are not given in RTK2.  If the only explanation I'm going to get is "accompished" for this extremely common kanji which is rarely used for that definition, what good will that do me towards my goal of literacy?  Please comment...

If I am correct about the above paragraph (please correct me if I'm wrong), please offer some guidance as to what to do to gain the literacy I mentioned above.

Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

Just read. When you encounter one you don't know, look it up.
That may sound like a crappy answer, but seriously, you probably wont need a structured book at that point anymore for learning Kanji.

yukamina Member
From: Canada Registered: 2006-01-09 Posts: 761

^ It's true. Just do lots of reading, and study the new words/readings.

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smujohnson Member
From: Canada Registered: 2008-03-13 Posts: 92

Actually, that is a good answer.

But, for the 3rd section of KO, are the readings given?  Or just their English equivalents...

alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

I read somewhere else on this forum that it was just a list of readings? Dunno.

Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Book three (on the cd only) contains stroke order, pronunciation and vocabulary.

Now, if you've been doing like others have been, while you're doing KO2001 books 1 and 2, you can "kanjify" some of the kana words. Reason being, the kanji used in books one and two are limited to the first 1100. It's not too much effort while you're vetting the sentences prior to entry in an SRS to convert the other vocabulary.

Also, don't fall into the trap thinking that you gotta have everything prior to trying something out. As others have said, by the time you've done KO2001 pt 1 and 2, you'll have 3000 sentences that cover LOADS of vocabulary and grammar. If you want to round off the latter kanji, there's Tanuki and Kanji in Context sentences. Basicly, don't wait and jump in. You'll probably find books 1 and 2 sufficient.

In addition, KO2001 book 3 sentences may be produced in the future. I'll get it if it ever comes out.

rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

There are also other ways to add sentences for the book 3 kanji-- dictionaries come to mind right away. There are 3-4 of them online that are free, easily searchable, and have example sentences galore. Also, when you finish those 1110 kanji, if you aren't already going monolingual, you probably should be, so you can add the Japanese definitions from a monolingual dictionary as well.

And yeah, there's also KiC and Tanuki (not Tanaka) floating around... although KiC isn't the best at providing lots of example sentences. It's kind of hit-and-miss.

zazen666 Member
From: japan Registered: 2007-08-09 Posts: 667

I think if you get thru book one and two, wihch should take you plenty of time (almost one year for me with book one!), then you can start to worry about it them.

Now I am reading a Astronomy book and while there is quite a few kanji (like galaxy, milky way, solar system, constalation) that I did not know, I can read the book for the most part.

Probably the answer to your question is to read real books. KO1 and 2 should set you up pretty well. (They do claim 90%)

alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

zazen666 wrote:

Probably the answer to your question is to read real books. KO1 and 2 should set you up pretty well. (They do claim 90%)

I think we all know how far 90% will get us.

Reply #10 - 2008 August 30, 4:28 am
zazen666 Member
From: japan Registered: 2007-08-09 Posts: 667

alyks wrote:

zazen666 wrote:

Probably the answer to your question is to read real books. KO1 and 2 should set you up pretty well. (They do claim 90%)

I think we all know how far 90% will get us.

I dont get it sad

Reply #11 - 2008 August 30, 8:02 am
phauna Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2007-12-25 Posts: 500 Website

It'll get us 90 % of the way.

Reply #12 - 2008 August 30, 12:28 pm
alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

1,000 kanji characters will get you 94.6% of a newspaper, which is what I was referencing.

Reply #13 - 2008 August 30, 1:34 pm
alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

No man, it's A joke. How many people can read a newspaper with only a thousand characters? 90% seems like a lot, but unless you know the rest, you can really read anything.

Ok? Joke. Joke

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