Sevenhelmets
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From: 新宿区
Registered: 2008-05-20
Posts: 38
I think my topic title says it all; after studying a character(s) from the book, how soon thereafter will you add it in RTK and review it?
I'd presume most of us don't study the character, add it, and review immediately, because it would skew things a little (the character would still be very fresh in mind). I normally add the character(s) after my study session, but don't do a review until a couple of days later.
I'd be interested to hear everyone else's thought on this, and what they tend to do....
alyks
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From: Arizona
Registered: 2008-05-31
Posts: 914
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70%-90% is fine. That's the beauty of spaced repetition. No matter what, you're going to learn everything you put in eventually.
I would say that things stay at about the same difficulty as you progress. For me though, I'm having a hard time getting in my fifty a day because I just want this to be over with, and it's difficult to get motivated to do it.
Last edited by alyks (2008 August 05, 2:49 am)
FutureBlues
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From: Japan
Registered: 2008-06-04
Posts: 218
canji wrote:
What would be a good retention rate for reviews? I get 75% or so. I figure if that means I am learning 1500 out of 2000 kanji well, then I can live with that as I resolve my issues with the other 500.
Also, for you 1000+ers, would you say kanji get more difficult as you go or is there nothing inheritantly more difficult about one in the 300s vs the 1300s or the 1800s?
Just wondering.
From what I can tell, it gets a lot easier as you progress. I mean, sure, I forget maybe 10% of the kanji from stack 4 (I use anki, but stack 4 is 1 month+ interval) that pop up and occasionally even more than that, and I tend to fail maybe, 20-40% of my newly learned kanji on bad next days, but I'm at 1158 right now and I feel like I'm having a lot less trouble than I did around 600s or so.
I think the brain just gets used to learning things after a while and suddenly it's easier than ever to cram more and more into it. That's the way I feel now anyway.
QuackingShoe
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From: USA
Registered: 2008-04-19
Posts: 721
I usually have mid-80s-mid-90s% off newly learned kanji in those first few days, though I've of course fallen quite a bit further from time to time. It slides back up to 90-100% after that. I just added the last of the book on, er.... Tuesday? And I hit 96% on my most recent review. It is worth noting that I haven't gotten crazy-strict with my pass/fail, though, as of yet. I'd probably fail maybe an additional 4 or 5 out of 70 characters if I were to fail myself for small positioning errors and the like.
I only did it this way because I found I needed the immediate reinforcement to kick me off. Technically I could do the exact same thing without using this program, and I imagine most people do; that is, cover up the kanji and do some brief keyword to kanji work. I didn't, though, so I did it on here. And taking a break from studying to flashcard a block of 10-15 kanji refreshed me and gave me a small goal to shoot for on the way to the larger goal of finishing the lesson (goal of any given day was always a lesson).
About it getting easier... god, I wish that had been true for me. I absolutely reviled the last quarter of the book, but I think that was more about mindset than anything. I just really didn't want to have to do it anymore.
Last edited by QuackingShoe (2008 August 05, 3:39 am)
zardoz73
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From: tokyo
Registered: 2008-07-28
Posts: 13
I add immediately after studying and then immediately review. I'm finding review just as important if not more important than adding new kanji. I just passed the 500 mark, and am making mistakes with the reviews, but when I then go back AGAIN and review the ones I missed. In the same sitting. It helps a LOT to just keep hammering yourself with the ones you miss, even if it's just a missing stroke or two.
I work on whole lessons, and add the kanji from the lesson right after I finish studying it. Then I'll go watch some dorama, movie... anything to clear my mind in the next hour or so. After that I come back and review the cards I added before.
I found this works pretty good. If I review the cards immediately, I'll sure remember almost everything, but my next review won't be so good. If I only review in the next day, retention will also be low.
One hour seems to be the magic point for me where I'll have forgotten the weaker stories, bust most stories are still fresh on my mind. This means I'll identify the stories that need some work not too long after I've studied them.
If I have the time, I'll repeat this cycle multiple times a day. There have been days where I added over 200 cards to my deck, but in cycles of 50 or so. I guess you have to experiment a little to find the ideal quantity and interval for you.
