A ninth and maybe tenth stack?

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Reply #1 - 2008 July 17, 11:37 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

September is approaching for me. That means that the first of my 900 or so cards currently in stack 8 will be due for review. Now, due to lack of a box nine, these will again be set for 240 days (assuming I'm reading the learn more page correctly).

Are there plans to implement a box nine or ten? Any pros or cons about this?

Reply #2 - 2008 July 17, 11:56 pm
JimmySeal Member
From: Kyoto Registered: 2006-03-28 Posts: 2279

I think they would have been implemented long ago if there were any such plans.

Wasn't there a way to export RevTK info to Anki or did I make that up in my head?
Anki certainly supports periods greater than 240 days.

Reply #3 - 2008 July 18, 12:31 am
Transtic Member
Registered: 2007-07-29 Posts: 201

Nukemarine wrote:

Now, due to lack of a box nine, these will again be set for 240 days (assuming I'm reading the learn more page correctly).

If I am not wrong, you can use the "Easy" button when reviewing to set them for 360 days instead of 240, which almost means once a year.

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Reply #4 - 2008 July 18, 2:14 am
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Transtic wrote:

Nukemarine wrote:

Now, due to lack of a box nine, these will again be set for 240 days (assuming I'm reading the learn more page correctly).

If I am not wrong, you can use the "Easy" button when reviewing to set them for 360 days instead of 240, which almost means once a year.

Sadly, I never use the easy button. Plus, I've been holding off exporting anything to Anki. In fact, with renewed interest in Trinity, I was holding off even more. However, the idea of being stuck to a minimum of 10 to 15 reviews a day a year after finishing RTK is going to start wearing on me.

Speaking of Trinity, it has more boxes than 8 I hope.

Reply #5 - 2008 July 18, 8:46 am
Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

I agree with you that more boxes should be added, especially since trinity encourages people to keep on using the site past RTK. If you are only getting 10-15 reviews per day though, I'd think you could probably just go to reviewing once or twice a week without any negative consequences.

Reply #6 - 2008 July 18, 5:26 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Zarxrax wrote:

I agree with you that more boxes should be added, especially since trinity encourages people to keep on using the site past RTK. If you are only getting 10-15 reviews per day though, I'd think you could probably just go to reviewing once or twice a week without any negative consequences.

I know it's not much, however the idea of having two or three days go by without having ANY due just sounds like a great "look where I'm at now" tale where one time it was 100 reviews everyday plus a large red stack.

Fabrice had his reasons for making the final box 240 days. Fairly legitimate IIRC and one that I agreed with at the time. However, now I'm seeing that weening away from RTK at a natural rate at an infinite (or 5 year?) SRS system works much better in my Japanese growth.

HerrPetersen Member
From: Germany Registered: 2007-01-02 Posts: 238

A way that I am trying use to limit the amount of reviews is to let the failed pile grow again. Once I encounter Kanji, that are in the failed pile I add them again. Even though I am not using Trinity, from what I have seen from it, it almost encourages you to do things that way.

Last edited by HerrPetersen (2008 August 26, 6:23 am)

Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

I had an idea actually. It really doesn't make sense to keep on studying RTK keywords forever. You are supposed to ween off of it. That's the problem though... how do you "ween" off of it?

If you do production cards in your SRS, writing kanji from the reading, then you should be able to stop doing the RTK for those particular kanji. However, on this site, it's "all or nothing". You can't really say "I don't need to review this one anymore, but I want to keep reviewing these others". It becomes an even bigger issue if you would want to start up with RTK3 after learning readings for most of the RTK1 kanji.

I remembered that there is that one greasemonkey script though which allows you to change the order of the kanji. Though I haven't tried it, I believe that one could reorder the kanji to effectively ween themselves off of certain ones.

woelpad Member
From: Chiba Registered: 2006-11-07 Posts: 425

The Alter sequence script would do you no good. Read this post and you will hopefully understand no matter how you reorder, all cards are still there and will pop up when their time is due. The 8 month upperlimit remains, unless you make it a daily practice to swap cards you have just reviewed with cards you're weening out. Which will only make the former cards appear more often than necessary.

One could make a script that skips cards during review. Even a ninth/tenth/... stack kind of behavior could be simulated, provided the user only reviews on a single machine, because synching between different machines would pose some problems. It's however very hard to adjust the number of reviews for the day to the actual number, as that would require knowing upfront which frames are coming up, which can't be done without actually doing the review. So if the site says that you have x frames for that day, those x frames are just an upper bound. Apart from that, I don't see any major obstacles.

Reply #10 - 2008 August 26, 8:35 pm
erlog Member
From: Japan Registered: 2007-01-25 Posts: 633

I think a ninth/tenth stack would be there to solve the nonimpactful problem of too many reviews per day. If you've got a ton of cards in the later stacks, then it follows that you've got a pretty good handle on RtK. It's less important that you review all your cards every single day. Are you going to be significantly less likely to remember those cards on day 241 than day 240? Probably not.

If the number of cards that come up for review is too high, just put a time limit cap on it or something. Eventually, the system will work itself out to give you only the amount of cards that you've been used to handling per day.

At that point, with those later cardboxes, you're in memory maintenance mode. The precise days you review that material are a lot less critical than the earlier card boxes that are only delineated by a few days.

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