Left to right? Top to bottom?

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Reply #1 - 2008 July 04, 3:31 pm
snispilbor Member
From: Ohio USA Registered: 2008-03-23 Posts: 150 Website

What direction do you write kanji in your notebooks during reviews?

I was originally doing it top to bottom but left to right, then a friend suggested it would be better practice to do top to bottom and right to left, since that's how Japanese books are.  I found it significantly changed the feel of writing, at least at first, now I've gotten used to it.

I know some of you were mentioning that you do your review in an IME handwriting window, which is awesome because it forces you to get stroke order right.  I, of course, like being able to look back and see how my handwriting's gradually improving.

So how do YOU direct your kanji during reviews?

Reply #2 - 2008 July 04, 4:25 pm
alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5025/dscn2357fp7.th.jpg


AAAHHH!!!

Reply #3 - 2008 July 04, 7:48 pm
snispilbor Member
From: Ohio USA Registered: 2008-03-23 Posts: 150 Website

alyks wrote:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5025 … fp7.th.jpg


AAAHHH!!!

Beautiful :-)

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Reply #4 - 2008 July 04, 8:04 pm
alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

I have to agree with you, my handwriting would be crap if I didn't write them out like that. Plus I get practice writing top-down. As you can see, I've had to assign "Lanes" for my kanji. It's so funny...

Reply #5 - 2008 July 04, 8:44 pm
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

snispilbor wrote:

top to bottom and right to left

Same here, I did it for fun then I thought it looked like Japanese books, even if the kanji are random, I liked it so kept writing them that way.

There were also some good links posted some months ago on this forum, a website where you can generate PDF files to print for kanji writing practice. One of the formats had boxes aranged vertically. Ahh, here it is. And here's the corresponding topic: "Free Graph Paper".

Reply #6 - 2008 July 04, 9:05 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Yo, I was doing top, bot, left, right. I'll try your way now!

Reply #7 - 2008 July 04, 9:22 pm
liosama Member
From: sydney Registered: 2008-03-02 Posts: 896

lol i was doing it wherever there was white space on my paper big_smile

Reply #8 - 2008 July 04, 10:37 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

I've slowly over time changed the way I wrote. When I started off with only RTK, it was graph paper I made with a spreadsheet program. I think I did about 30 pages, with 500 characters per page.

I moved onto a notebook when I began sentences doing left to right top to bottom. Front and back of the sheets. No spaces were left. Yeah, those sheets look a mess now.

Later I began doing seperate lines for the sentences. Then I turned the page on the side and began vertical writing.  Now for neatness, I do RTK reviews on the back of the sheets and sentence reviews on the front of the sheet.

Like everything else, the style you choose will evolve in time.

Reply #9 - 2008 July 05, 3:06 am
QuackingShoe Member
From: USA Registered: 2008-04-19 Posts: 721

Top to bottom, right to left. I don't really remember if it was a conscious decision, may have just kindof happened. I have one or two pages from the very very beginning that were left to right, top to bottom, though.

I like the way it feels to write that way, though. I think it feels worse and looks worse when I write it the Western way.

Reply #10 - 2008 July 05, 5:10 am
furrykef Member
From: Oklahoma City Registered: 2008-06-24 Posts: 191

For me it depends on what I'm doing. Normally if I'm practicing my handwriting I write vertically. But if I'm practicing verb conjugations, for some reason I prefer to do it horizontally. I'm not sure why... I guess I didn't think about it the first time I did it, and now I keep doing it that way.

Reply #11 - 2008 July 11, 6:13 pm
stshores24 Member
From: Atlanta Registered: 2008-01-22 Posts: 71 Website

alyks wrote:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5025 … fp7.th.jpg
AAAHHH!!!

*gasp* Someone needs some graph paper... I like the little doodles and comments in the margins. big_smile

Reply #12 - 2008 July 11, 7:20 pm
alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8227/dscn2361nv7.th.jpg


You should see it now.

Reply #13 - 2008 July 11, 8:20 pm
stshores24 Member
From: Atlanta Registered: 2008-01-22 Posts: 71 Website

alyks wrote:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8227 … nv7.th.jpg


You should see it now.

Do you live in Waterworld or something, where paper is that precious? big_smile

Seriously, though, that looks really cool.

Reply #14 - 2008 July 11, 9:57 pm
Triddy Member
From: Canada Registered: 2008-04-30 Posts: 19

Haha, I had like 7 or 8 sheets like Alyks in the past. When I went on a month+ hiatus (had a LOT of crap going on, and I just found it hard to get back into it), I lost them. I think there is one under my bed, but I have no idea where the others went.

Anyways, I have two practice things. I have a notebook, with the character written neatly in the margin in the left, with the keyword and the English story written out by hand on the right. It was an excellent way to memorize it (The story, that is), but I had to stop when my hand started cramping up. 50/day wasn't good for it.

My review sheets are a lot like Alyks. You can see in the corner that I start out small and neat, and try and make it as efficient space-wise as possible. Then things get out of hand...

Last edited by Triddy (2008 July 11, 9:59 pm)

Reply #15 - 2008 July 12, 6:18 am
nac_est Member
From: Italy Registered: 2006-12-12 Posts: 617 Website

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4915/immag081xr8.th.jpg

The notebook on top is full. Now I've started a new one, the lower one, and I'm writing smaller. You can see that I too write top to bottom right lo right. smile

(Pic is blurry, but that's good 'cause you won't see my ugly handwriting tongue )

Reply #16 - 2008 July 12, 9:34 am
woodwojr Member
From: Boston Registered: 2008-05-02 Posts: 530

Around 800 or so I gave up on writing the kanji out. I now trace them with my finger, head, or eyes (or sometimes combinations thereof); saves time and paper wink

Of course, it also doesn't help my writing be particularly neat. I figure once I'm no longer getting upwards of two hundred expirations most days I'll go back to writing them, just so I don't end up with my kanji being as illegible as my English writing.

~J

Reply #17 - 2008 July 12, 11:56 am
alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

nac_est wrote:

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4915 … xr8.th.jpg

The notebook on top is full. Now I've started a new one, the lower one, and I'm writing smaller. You can see that I too write top to bottom right lo right. smile

(Pic is blurry, but that's good 'cause you won't see my ugly handwriting tongue )

Oh man, graph paper! That's awesome!

Reply #18 - 2008 July 12, 6:11 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Even when I had large amounts to review, I still wrote mine out. I now realize I have some muscle memory built up with kanji.

Plus if it is written down, you are less likely to fudge whether you got it wrong or not.

To be fair, I have done it using only my finger and palm.

Reply #19 - 2008 July 13, 12:00 am
sfekas Member
From: Seattle Registered: 2008-06-14 Posts: 40

I write the characters on paper a few times when I'm studying (or reviewing ones I got wrong) them, but when I review cards I trace the character on my hands.  Between work and kanji, my hands and wrists have been hurting, so I decided I had to ease up.  My handwriting is awful, but it's awful in English, too, so I think I'll just have to live with it.

When I do write kanji, I squeeze it in wherever I can on scratch paper, kind of like alyks, I think.

Reply #20 - 2008 July 13, 12:34 am
timcampbell Member
From: 北京 Registered: 2007-11-04 Posts: 187

I usually write mine out, though depending on the circumstances I have done it on my palm. I agree with Nukemarine that over time you develop muscle memory, so sometimes your fingers seem to tell you "there's another primitive here, it's not done yet" or "I know the flower primitive goes first on top because I've written it that way 10 times in the past year." Over time your hand just automatically writes it out correctly with little thought.

Reply #21 - 2008 July 13, 3:57 am
nac_est Member
From: Italy Registered: 2006-12-12 Posts: 617 Website

I find that writing a kanji with your finger on your palm adds the extra job to visualize it. Also, sometimes you make very small errors, like forgetting a drop, and it's much easier to realize that if you've actually written the character down.

Reply #22 - 2008 July 13, 12:22 pm
munia Member
From: Spain Registered: 2005-11-08 Posts: 19 Website

I usually write the kanji on the palm of my hand when I'm revising, but I count the strokes as I draw them. That helps me realize whether I've made a mistake, like forgetting a drop or something.

kfmfe04 Member
From: 台北 Registered: 2007-10-21 Posts: 487

Top to bottom, from right column to left column.

IMHO, it's a waste もったいない to spend so much time doing RtK, and not practice handwriting as I'm going through.  I feel almost like I'm getting the practice "free" as a part of doing RtK...

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8742/rtknotebookrz1.th.jpghttp://img220.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif

1.  I recommend using block paper
2.  I recommend paying attention of relative lengths of your strokes and their spacing
3.  I use a 0.4mm Pilot HI-TEC-C ballpoint pen, 200Yen
4.  I slide a plastic sheet under my current page so I have a hard writing surface.  This makes the writing more precise.

If it looks "weird", there is usually something wrong.

Be critical about your handwriting and it should get better, as a matter of habit.

Last edited by kfmfe04 (2008 October 01, 4:11 am)

Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

I do top to bottom left to right since I use an oblique (aka italic) fountain pen and the ink takes a few seconds to dry. Writing any other way leaves me with ink on my hand.

I just use the backs of paper I no longer need (裏紙) etc since I want to shave the whales.

Last edited by Jarvik7 (2008 October 01, 12:23 am)

Reply #25 - 2008 October 01, 3:18 am
alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

Jarvik7 wrote:

I do top to bottom left to right since I use an oblique (aka italic) fountain pen and the ink takes a few seconds to dry. Writing any other way leaves me with ink on my hand.

I just use the backs of paper I no longer need (裏紙) etc since I want to shave the whales.

Ooh nice. What kind of fountain pen do you use? I wish I had the money for a nice one. Right now I just use this 15 dollar Manuscript brand pen.