Highlight all primitive names and keywords used in stories

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Reply #1 - 2008 June 06, 12:32 am
cangy Member
From: 平安京 Registered: 2006-12-13 Posts: 372 Website

I've recently noticed a recurring problem with recalling some older stories.  I'll remember some element from the story as a primitive when it wasn't intended to be used as such.  Given there are 2-3 thousand keywords plus primitive names, it's pretty likely that some word you used as decoration, or worse, a fundamental part of the story, later turns out to be a primitive name or keyword.  When I purposely change a primitive name or keyword I check first that it isn't already taken, but that's impractical to do manually for every word in a story.

My suggestion is to highlight all primitive names and keywords used in stories as a warning that they might cause confusion later.  I have a list of all the RTK1 primitive names (i.e. those that are not keywords, as that list is already available) that could be used for this.  It could be done as a greasemonkey script (Anki plugin too anyone?) but would be better if it was part of the site so that everyone could be warned before they share or use possibly dangerous stories.  I guess a hacky way of trying this out would be to delete the primitive names and keywords from your browser's on-the-fly spellchecker dictionary, but I haven't tried this yet...

Reply #2 - 2008 June 06, 11:38 am
Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

Well the problem is that some keywords and primitives are such generic words that it would be really really hard to make some meaningful stories without them leaking in... I do see the point you are making though and agree that it can be a problem.

Reply #3 - 2008 June 06, 12:14 pm
alyks Member
From: Arizona Registered: 2008-05-31 Posts: 914 Website

I learned all the primitives beforehand and gave a bunch my own meanings. Honestly, a lot of Heisig's primitives suck. They're too intangible.
When you recall a story and mistake things for primitives that aren't, maybe it's just you're putting emphasis on parts of the imagery that aren't primitives. I focus on the images of the primitives and how the story unfolds from one primitive to the next. I also make each image relevant, or cut it out of my story.

Could you give us some examples of what's happening?

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cangy Member
From: 平安京 Registered: 2006-12-13 Posts: 372 Website

alyks wrote:

When you recall a story and mistake things for primitives that aren't, maybe it's just you're putting emphasis on parts of the imagery that aren't primitives. I focus on the images of the primitives and how the story unfolds from one primitive to the next. I also make each image relevant, or cut it out of my story.

Could you give us some examples of what's happening?

If you don't know a word is later going to be used as a keyword then you won't know to avoid it until later, and by then you've already leaned the misleading story.  Actually, even if you do know it's a keyword you won't realise the danger until the intervals get long enough for this to start happening... 

When it happens I change the story, but the problem could be easily prevented from happening in the first place.

I haven't reviewed for a while (1000 cards due now...) but here's a couple that happened just now as I start to catch up:

A lot of stories for "permit" use the phrase "straight from the horse's mouth", so I remembered "mouth" rather than "words".

For "apply" I used trikatu's story "To apply for a visa you have to go into the cave of the embassy (remember government offices are also caves) and plead your heart out." and remembered the whole of "government office" instead of just cave.

Not the best examples as they were for words that were already known to be keywords, but it gives you some idea...

Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

Well as you advance farther into this site, a lot of users end up using different primitives than what heisig gives you. So while its certainly possible to make a list of heisig primitives and have something highlight those for you... you might not even end up using that primitive later on.

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