should i just finish RtK 1 and save RtK 3 for later?

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Reply #1 - 2008 May 28, 2:42 am
Hashiriya Member
From: Georgia Registered: 2008-04-14 Posts: 1072

hey guys, i was just going to ask if i should finish both RtK 1 & 3 or just finish RtK 1 and just review kanji from RtK 3 when i stumble upon them when i am applying the kanji to vocabulary... my original plans were to finish both 1 & 3 but i wanted you guys' opinion on it... thanks for any advice ^_^

Reply #2 - 2008 May 28, 3:03 am
zdude255 Member
From: Florida Registered: 2008-03-17 Posts: 27

I'm still just over 1000 kanji from the end of RTK1, but you probably should do something to turn all those kanji into vocabulary. IE Kanji Odyssey or something else.

There's plenty of use for RTK3 ones, but not before you're really far into the language. You'll see a few fairly often, like 誰, 僕, 俺, but these are the exceptions and it's easier to add a few cards when you need them than to add 1000 cards that you won't see very often.

Reply #3 - 2008 May 28, 3:08 am
shaydwyrm Member
From: Boston Registered: 2007-04-26 Posts: 178 Website

On the other hand, there are also plenty of RTK1 kanji you won't see very often.  I would say, if you're not burned out on making mnemonics, go for RTK3 immediately.  Right after finishing RTK1 is the easiest time to do it, since your story-making skills are sharp and you will be able to progress fairly quickly.

If you're feeling antsy to start learning to read/speak/listen, though, the end of RTK1 is a good place to stop and do that, as the common kanji that aren't in RTK1 are few enough to pick up as you go.  A good compromise would be continuing to add a few kanji per day while you get moving with your other studies - this is what I'm doing now.

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Reply #4 - 2008 May 28, 3:09 am
Hashiriya Member
From: Georgia Registered: 2008-04-14 Posts: 1072

that's cool... i'm looking in to the whole Kanji Odyssesy thing... there seems to be a lot of people that favor it in these forums... looks pretty decent... sooooo many kanji to learn >< but i'm in for over 600 right now ^_^ i'll keep pushing forward....

Reply #5 - 2008 May 28, 4:08 am
zazen666 Member
From: japan Registered: 2007-08-09 Posts: 667

I think in terms of priority (i.e. being able to read most things as quickly as possible), I would suggest going to KO (if your grammar is up to speed) after RTK 1. You can use RTK3 as you come across new kanji, or just add a few here and there to spice up things.

Reply #6 - 2008 May 28, 4:54 am
Hashiriya Member
From: Georgia Registered: 2008-04-14 Posts: 1072

yeh maybe i should plan to do 10 a day for 100 days or something while i study vocabulary...

Reply #7 - 2008 May 28, 5:29 am
NightSky Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-04-13 Posts: 302

It depends on your Japanese skills. If you are already very well speaking and understanding Japanese, but just completed RTK1 to get your Kanji up to speed, RTK3 may be a good idea.

If that isn't the case, I would say you should NOT go onto RTK3. Beginners learning Kanji is all well and good, but I think sometimes people get more involved with their number of "known" Kanji, but the whole point of learning those Kanji in the first place should be to help actually learning the language itself.

Keep doing your reviews, which will only decrease each day from that point onward, and start focusing on vocabulary/listening/grammar etc. There is no good reason for someone who still can't read any of the first 2000 to start bothering learning how to read another 1000 (IMO)

Reply #8 - 2008 May 28, 11:23 am
Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

I think the main killer is the sheer number of reviews that you will still have to do after completing RTK1. When I finish in a few weeks it looks like I will probably be having something like 150 expired cards per day, for a while. I definitely wouldn't want to have to be dealing with all those kanji reviews and then just keep adding MORE kanji into the pile! I think after you finish RTK one thats a great time to just focus on getting your review piles down to a low number, while you focus on studying other things. Then once your reviews get really manageable again, maybe that would be a good time to go to RTK3. Just going straight through would be suicide, in my opinion :p

Reply #9 - 2008 May 28, 12:07 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

One suggestion is just keep up your RTK reviews until about 90% is in stack 4 while at the same time begin your Japanese. Once you get that 90%, you could start adding 30 a week IN ADDITION TO the rogue kanji that'll pop up now and again that's later in RTK3.

In 8 months or so, you're done with RTK3 and not even notice it. On top of that, your Japanese will be pretty far advanced.

Reply #10 - 2008 May 28, 1:36 pm
usis35 Member
From: Buenos Aires Registered: 2007-03-31 Posts: 205

It seems here that there are 2 different opinions :
1. Finish first the 2000 more frequent kanjis, and begin to read (picking up readings)
2. Finish first the 3000 more frequent kanjis, and begin to read
I have a third different opinion:
3. Finish first the 1000 more frequent kanjis, and begin to read
This last is what I am doing. The 1000 more frequent kanjis are called KANJI LITE, you can  read about that in other posts. And there is a way to switch from reviewing the hole RTK1 set to KANJI LITE in the middle of the road. I switched when I was in frame 600. Now I am  in frame 900, but I know a lot of words (readings), and I am already seeing results and enjoying Japanese. When I learn to read a new word, it is like a click, and the kanjis I already know , are fixing in my memory much more than just reviewing.

Reply #11 - 2008 May 28, 3:23 pm
uberstuber Member
Registered: 2007-03-27 Posts: 238

IMO kanjilite isn't enough to really start reading hmm

I finished rtk1, and will put off rtk3 until I feel comfortable with using about 90% of the first 2000 in sentences/vocab.

Reply #12 - 2008 May 28, 5:03 pm
Hashiriya Member
From: Georgia Registered: 2008-04-14 Posts: 1072

thanks for all the comments guys ^_^ i think i will complete RtK 1 1st and then work on grammar and vocabulary some while just adding an additional 10 kanji from RtK 3 everyday to my study... if i run into any of RtK 3 while i am studying vocabulary too i can just review them in this sites study section with rikaichan heisig reference numbers at that time... ^_^

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