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Reply #76 - 2008 July 14, 3:47 pm
albion Member
From: England Registered: 2008-05-25 Posts: 383 Website

Chapter 1 (398 sentences) - Done

Chapter 2 (67 sentences) - Done

Chapter 3 (228 sentences) - In progress
70-79 (69 sentences) - Mcjon01
80-89 (67 sentences) - Phauna (finished)
90-99 (35 sentences) - Floatingweed5
100-111 (57 sentences) - Nukemarine (finished)

Chapter 4 (123 sentences) - In progress
114-119 (37 sentences) - Phauna (finished)
120-126 (45 sentences) - Nukemarine
127-133 (42 sentences) - Shakkun

Chapter 5 (156 sentences) - In progress
136-143 (44 sentences) - Rabite
146-154 (41 sentences) - Phauna
156-161 (36 sentences) - Albion
162-172 (39 sentences) - none

Chapter 6 (190 sentences) - None assigned
176-180 (37 sentences) - none
181-185 (41 sentences) - none
186-189 (44 sentences) - none
190-193 (42 sentences) - none
194-197 (34 sentences) - none


Although, for the section I've picked, what happens with page 155? The top two sentences of p.156 are carried on from the section on p.155. Should I include them (with the rest of that section), or have I missed something as to why it's not on the list?

Reply #77 - 2008 July 15, 2:13 pm
captal Member
From: San Jose Registered: 2008-03-22 Posts: 677

Nukemarine- I have not yet been accepted to the google group (I applied from my gmail- username is captal) - I need to see the spreadsheet to see how you're doing formatting (or post a few up here for perusal).

edit: by the way- has anyone been using a text to speech converter on these? I've been looking for one, but I'm running a Mac now so I'm not sure what to use...

captal

Last edited by captal (2008 July 15, 2:25 pm)

Reply #78 - 2008 July 15, 3:19 pm
AdamLeliel Member
From: Nottingham Registered: 2008-06-30 Posts: 91

I've requested permission to join the group-- AdamLeliel.

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Reply #79 - 2008 July 15, 3:21 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

albion wrote:

Although, for the section I've picked, what happens with page 155? The top two sentences of p.156 are carried on from the section on p.155. Should I include them (with the rest of that section), or have I missed something as to why it's not on the list?

Ah, my mistake. It looked like a table list of sentences. Yes, do the first sentence of each segment that relates to the english translation on page 155.

Reply #80 - 2008 July 15, 9:32 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Ok, lot's more people working on it. Biting into chapter 6 so not too much left. Right now, Floatingweed had not replied if he's able to continue this. So his spot is open up, so we can finish up Chapter 3.

Chapter 1 (398 sentences) - Done

Chapter 2 (67 sentences) - Done

Chapter 3 (228 sentences) - In progress
70-79 (69 sentences) - Mcjon01 (finished)
80-89 (67 sentences) - Phauna (finished)
90-99 (35 sentences) - Floatingweed5 (assigned to another if no contact)
100-111 (57 sentences) - Nukemarine (finished)

Chapter 4 (123 sentences) - In progress
114-119 (37 sentences) - Phauna (finished)
120-126 (45 sentences) - Nukemarine (finished)
127-133 (42 sentences) - Shakkun

Chapter 5 (156 sentences) - In progress
136-143 (44 sentences) - Rabite
146-154 (41 sentences) - Phauna
156-161 (36 sentences) - Albion
162-172 (39 sentences) - Alan Clontz

Chapter 6 (190 sentences) - None assigned
176-180 (37 sentences) - Nuke Marine
181-185 (41 sentences) - none
186-189 (44 sentences) - none
190-193 (42 sentences) - none
194-197 (34 sentences) - none

Columns (~60 sentences) - none

Reply #81 - 2008 July 15, 11:16 pm
shakkun Member
Registered: 2007-11-23 Posts: 173

I still haven't been accepted to the AJATT group either, is there someone I should contact or something? I have to run right now but when I get back I'll just email my sheet to Nukemarine and then I can start on another one.

Last edited by shakkun (2008 July 15, 11:17 pm)

Reply #82 - 2008 July 16, 12:44 pm
Floatingweed5 Member
From: Scotland UK Registered: 2007-03-10 Posts: 120

Hey Nukemarine,

can you check your google mail account. I sent my section to you yesterday, but you don't appear to be getting my mails.

Reply #83 - 2008 July 16, 2:44 pm
captal Member
From: San Jose Registered: 2008-03-22 Posts: 677

So I've been adding sentences from the first few pages over the last couple of days.

I have a question about a sentence- page 14 4.2:

きのうは学校を休みました。 (I was absent from school yesterday)

Is the は supposed to be there? I thought it wasn't because really the topic of the sentence is I (私は昨日学校を休みました I would think would be right) and that は wasn't used with things like "today, tomorrow, yesterday, last night, etc." but I've seen the book use は in these cases on more than one occasion.

Reply #84 - 2008 July 16, 3:33 pm
Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

captal wrote:

So I've been adding sentences from the first few pages over the last couple of days.

I have a question about a sentence- page 14 4.2:

きのうは学校を休みました。 (I was absent from school yesterday)

Is the は supposed to be there? I thought it wasn't because really the topic of the sentence is I (私は昨日学校を休みました I would think would be right) and that は wasn't used with things like "today, tomorrow, yesterday, last night, etc." but I've seen the book use は in these cases on more than one occasion.

Yes, because the topic of the sentence is yesterday. As for what happened yesterday, you were absent from school. I think sentences can have multiple topics (I come across this quite often now that I have started reading, but no grammar book ever told me this!) so I suppose 私 is also an "understood" topic. Of course, I could be totally wrong here.

Reply #85 - 2008 July 16, 6:13 pm
chamcham Member
Registered: 2005-11-11 Posts: 1444

The は particle can often be used to introduce a new subject and change the conversation.

So let's say you're talking to your friends about stuff that happened today....
...and all of a sudden, you want to change the subject to talking about yesterday.

Then you could say "きのうは学校を休みました", and the conversation would change to talking about your absence from school yesterday.

So anytime you want to change the conversation in Japanese, use the は particle and start talking about that subject.

Last edited by chamcham (2008 July 16, 6:14 pm)

Reply #86 - 2008 July 16, 7:50 pm
skinnyneo Member
Registered: 2007-03-07 Posts: 148

captal wrote:

So I've been adding sentences from the first few pages over the last couple of days.

I have a question about a sentence- page 14 4.2:

きのうは学校を休みました。 (I was absent from school yesterday)

Is the は supposed to be there? I thought it wasn't because really the topic of the sentence is I (私は昨日学校を休みました I would think would be right) and that は wasn't used with things like "today, tomorrow, yesterday, last night, etc." but I've seen the book use は in these cases on more than one occasion.

Just adding to what other people posted it also shows contrast.  So depending on the context the speaker might be trying to say that yesterday was an exception to the their normal schedule.  YESTERDAY I was absent from school (but normally I am not).

Reply #87 - 2008 July 16, 8:09 pm
QuackingShoe Member
From: USA Registered: 2008-04-19 Posts: 721
Reply #88 - 2008 July 17, 11:09 am
captal Member
From: San Jose Registered: 2008-03-22 Posts: 677

Thanks for the help guys- I also looked in A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar which was quite helpful- I didn't realize all the nuances with wa.

The link from QuackingShoe was nice too.

Reply #89 - 2008 July 17, 11:51 pm
phauna Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2007-12-25 Posts: 500 Website

Bam!

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= … &hl=en

Pages 146 through 154 done.  I added it to the bottom of the spreadsheet that I've already made so I don't have to fiddle around with too many permissions and other cack like that.

I'll do this one next, guvnor.

181-185 (41 sentences) - Phauna

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Chapter 1 (398 sentences) - Done

Chapter 2 (67 sentences) - Done

Chapter 3 (228 sentences) - In progress
70-79 (69 sentences) - Mcjon01 (finished)
80-89 (67 sentences) - Phauna (finished)
90-99 (35 sentences) - Floatingweed5 (finished, putting in spread
sheet format)
100-111 (57 sentences) - Nukemarine (finished)

Chapter 4 (123 sentences) - Finished
114-119 (37 sentences) - Phauna (finished)
120-126 (45 sentences) - Nukemarine (finished)
127-133 (42 sentences) - Shakkun (finished)

Chapter 5 (156 sentences) - In progress
136-143 (44 sentences) - Rabite
146-154 (41 sentences) - Phauna
156-161 (36 sentences) - Albion
162-172 (39 sentences) - Alan Clontz

Chapter 6 (190 sentences) - None assigned
176-180 (37 sentences) - Nuke Marine
181-185 (41 sentences) - Phauna
190-193 (42 sentences) - none
194-197 (34 sentences) - none

Columns (~60 sentences) - none

Reply #90 - 2008 July 18, 1:41 am
shakkun Member
Registered: 2007-11-23 Posts: 173

I emailed the google groups owner yesterday so hopefully I'll have access to that sheet soon. I assume the (finished) means Nukemarine got my spreadsheet, so I'll do this section if that's okay (I'm learning ~ば conditional right now anyway so it works well)

Chapter 6 (190 sentences) - None assigned
176-180 (37 sentences) - Nuke Marine
181-185 (41 sentences) - Phauna
190-193 (42 sentences) - Shakkun
194-197 (34 sentences) - none

Reply #91 - 2008 July 18, 2:17 am
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

shakkun wrote:

I emailed the google groups owner yesterday so hopefully I'll have access to that sheet soon. I assume the (finished) means Nukemarine got my spreadsheet, so I'll do this section if that's okay (I'm learning ~ば conditional right now anyway so it works well)

Chapter 6 (190 sentences) - None assigned
176-180 (37 sentences) - Nuke Marine
181-185 (41 sentences) - Phauna
190-193 (42 sentences) - Shakkun
194-197 (34 sentences) - none

Hmm, missing a pack in there

Chapter 6 (190 sentences) - None assigned
176-180 (37 sentences) - Nuke Marine
181-185 (41 sentences) - Phauna
186-189 (44 sentences) - none
190-193 (42 sentences) - Shakkun
194-197 (34 sentences) - none

Reply #92 - 2008 July 18, 9:49 pm
shakkun Member
Registered: 2007-11-23 Posts: 173

I think these page numbers are wrong. 190-193 starts halfway through the section on ~たら and overlaps one page into Part III.

176-180 - Nuke Marine
181-185 - Phauna
186-188 - none
189-192 - Shakkun
193-197 - none

Makes more sense. Not that it makes much difference in the end, but I want to enter the ~たら examples on page 189 anyway so I might as well do them now.

Last edited by shakkun (2008 July 18, 9:50 pm)

Reply #93 - 2008 July 19, 3:37 am
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Should not be a problem with how you did it. I divided it up to balance out sentence load, not necessarily good starting and stopping spots.

Anyway, thanks for the help so far. I'm editing/quality reviewing Chapter 3 sentences then I'll move onto doing mine for Chapter 6. After that is a quick quality review of Chapter 4.

Ultimately, anyone that has proof of purchase of the book will get access

Spreadsheet of Kanji, Kana and US English translation of key sentences from the book.
Text to Speech audio of both Japanese and English.

This will be a great baseline that one can jump off into Kanji.Odyssey or some other manner of sentences or learning.

Reply #94 - 2008 July 23, 12:48 pm
albion Member
From: England Registered: 2008-05-25 Posts: 383 Website

Not that everything is settled down I'm making a start on my part. I'm doing to do page 155, but how should I go about it? The layout goes like this:

- I was told to clean my room by my mother.
母に {部屋の掃除をする/食事の前に手を洗う/・・・} ように言われました

There's one English translation, but the middle part includes several other variations that aren't translated. Can I add those other sentences without translation?

Reply #95 - 2008 July 23, 3:53 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

Just do the one that has an English translation provided.

Reply #96 - 2008 July 24, 1:30 am
phauna Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2007-12-25 Posts: 500 Website

Ah, I finished the one I was doing, added it here:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= … &hl=en

Blah, blah, will do this one next,

86-189 (44 sentences) - phauna

Carry on, all.


Assignments:
Chapter 1 (398 sentences) - Done

Chapter 2 (67 sentences) - Done

Chapter 3 (228 sentences) - In progress
70-79 (69 sentences) - Mcjon01 (finished)
80-89 (67 sentences) - phauna (finished)
90-99 (35 sentences) - Floatingweed5 (finished, putting in spread
sheet format)
100-111 (57 sentences) - Nukemarine (finished)

Chapter 4 (123 sentences) - Finished
114-119 (37 sentences) - phauna (finished)
120-126 (45 sentences) - Nukemarine (finished)
127-133 (42 sentences) - Shakkun (finished)

Chapter 5 (156 sentences) - In progress
136-143 (44 sentences) - Rabite
146-154 (41 sentences) - phauna (finished)
156-161 (36 sentences) - Albion
162-172 (39 sentences) - Alan Clontz

Chapter 6 (190 sentences) - In progress

176-180 (37 sentences) - Nuke Marine
181-185 (41 sentences) - phauna (finished)
186-189 (44 sentences) - phauna
190-193 (42 sentences) - Shakkun
194-197 (34 sentences) - none

Columns (~60 sentences) - none

Reply #97 - 2008 July 24, 1:54 am
rollypop Member
From: Niigata Registered: 2007-11-20 Posts: 12

I finally got my book. Still need volunteers?

Reply #98 - 2008 July 24, 4:49 am
phauna Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2007-12-25 Posts: 500 Website

Yes, definitely, pick a slot, oh wait there's only one left.

194-197 (34 sentences) - Rollypop

Also, if you've joined the google group tell us what your nickname there is and we'll include you on the spreadsheets.  You can see a little earlier in the thread what to do but basically, bold sentences only, four fields, number, kanji, kana, english.

Assignments:
Chapter 1 (398 sentences) - Done

Chapter 2 (67 sentences) - Done

Chapter 3 (228 sentences) - In progress
70-79 (69 sentences) - Mcjon01 (finished)
80-89 (67 sentences) - phauna (finished)
90-99 (35 sentences) - Floatingweed5 (finished, putting in spread
sheet format)
100-111 (57 sentences) - Nukemarine (finished)

Chapter 4 (123 sentences) - Finished
114-119 (37 sentences) - phauna (finished)
120-126 (45 sentences) - Nukemarine (finished)
127-133 (42 sentences) - Shakkun (finished)

Chapter 5 (156 sentences) - In progress
136-143 (44 sentences) - Rabite
146-154 (41 sentences) - phauna (finished)
156-161 (36 sentences) - Albion
162-172 (39 sentences) - Alan Clontz

Chapter 6 (190 sentences) - In progress

176-180 (37 sentences) - Nuke Marine
181-185 (41 sentences) - phauna (finished)
186-189 (44 sentences) - phauna
190-193 (42 sentences) - Shakkun
194-197 (34 sentences) - Rollypop

Columns (~60 sentences) - none

Reply #99 - 2008 July 24, 7:47 am
sage47 Member
Registered: 2006-07-06 Posts: 12

hmm, i should join in this group, this book is really good

Reply #100 - 2008 July 24, 7:59 pm
rollypop Member
From: Niigata Registered: 2007-11-20 Posts: 12

Joined the group as rollypop. Starting the sentences now. : D