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Reply #51 - 2008 May 31, 12:34 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Tks Shibo. I'm worried too.
Today it was 56 of 146 kanji. 38%

Last week I took a big hit. I was going to make a test to a scholarship in Japan but I might have filled some paper wrong and because of that I dont know if my curriculum was even proper evaluated as I did not get any feedback about it. The fact is I was not even allowed to take the test. That hurt my pride a lot.

I guess I'll follow your advice and lower my pace as I have not any deadline anymore. But I was happier the way it was before. Even with the lowest retention rates.

Tks again for your support and consideration.

Last edited by mentat_kgs (2008 May 31, 12:35 pm)

Reply #52 - 2008 May 31, 12:39 pm
Shibo Member
From: South Dakota, USA Registered: 2008-01-19 Posts: 132

Hey, definitely do what makes you happy. But if you're able to raise your retention rate consistently into the 70's and 80's that might make you happy too!

Ganbatte, don't give up hope of getting to Japan! Just keep plugging away and you'll get through this book and onto lots of other great things. ^^

Try and make some nice, creative, crazy stories to help you remember stuff!

Reply #53 - 2008 June 01, 1:34 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Yo. Today I took too long to review my kanjis. There was about ~150 and I paused in th emiddle to watch some anime (zero no tsukaima, I recommend it).
So I dont have the proper statiscits but it was surely above 70% this time.

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Reply #54 - 2008 June 01, 1:39 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

I decided now to follow Nukemarine's advice on various threads.
http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?pid=20733#p20733

He suggest to never stop adding new kanji, and dont mind much for the growing failed pile. Ah, but he is enfatic enought on not forgeting to review all your due cards.

Reply #55 - 2008 June 01, 3:27 pm
Shibo Member
From: South Dakota, USA Registered: 2008-01-19 Posts: 132

Way to go, above 70% is great! Yes, do follow Nuke's advice. I hope he won't mind if I paste one of his most recent posts in here for you:

"I think a prevention to burn out is to do only a set amount per day and not more than that. In time, you find this takes a certain number of hours that you're comfortable with. Concentrate too much on new cards and you'll get a larger and larger "study" (better than "failed) pile, meaning you're redoing all your effort again. Concentrate too much on your "study" pile, and you make no progress with RTK.

It's a balancing act you'll continue when you get into your Japanese studies. Balancing input with output and passive with active. Don't be afraid to switch up your game plan, but realize when it begins to work for you and stick with it too. Gods, could I be more ambiguous?"


Do your best to find that balance between adding new stuff and managing your failed stuff. Find what works and stick with it. Retention rates in the 30s and 50s do not work, so I'd say slow down a bit till you've got a better handle on what you've got already.

Reply #56 - 2008 June 01, 3:39 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Another thing that prevents me from "burning out" is writing. I figured out that imagining every kanji burns me out easily. If I start writing it while recalling it I take longer to get tired.

Another thing is I generaly start bad for the 10 first kanjis, then I get better, managing to get ~80-90% recall rate. Then I start to forget even the simplest kanjis. I'm thinking this might be tied to that "burning out". So I will try to detect the "burning out" and divide my sessions to prevent it.

I'm managing to get better mnemonics for my stories by mixing anime and made-up characters to the mnemonics. Last ones are a bamboo robot for bamboo and superman for person. Describing heroic deeds and weird inventions seem to better mnemonics than the simple logical ones I was using.

Reply #57 - 2008 June 02, 10:57 am
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

70 of 96. 72%
Ow yeah babe.
This was writing kanji while trying to remember it.

Reply #58 - 2008 June 02, 8:14 pm
syntoad Member
From: Amagasaki Registered: 2006-11-05 Posts: 49

Just remember that failing a kanji just means you get to do it again, which can never hurt.

Reply #59 - 2008 June 03, 5:58 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

You remembered 64 of 119 kanji. 54%
Also was writing the kanji as would reviewing.

Today I made an extra effort to make the images vivid in my mind's eye.

Yo syntoad. I keep telling this to myself, but I never learn.

Reply #60 - 2008 June 04, 6:02 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

You remembered 62 of 97 kanji. 64%
I'm still reviewing kanjis from before the click of the vivid images.
Tomorrow will be the first day, I guess.

Reply #61 - 2008 June 04, 9:10 pm
playadom Member
Registered: 2007-06-29 Posts: 468

mentat_kgs wrote:

Describing heroic deeds and weird inventions seem to better mnemonics than the simple logical ones I was using.

I've found that the most logical ones can sometimes be the hardest to remember.

Reply #62 - 2008 June 05, 5:17 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

You remembered 59 of 93 kanji. 63%
Today I felt like I was really bad in my review, but strangely it was not that bad!
Now, back to the failed pile!

Yeah playadom. I'm having a lot of trouble with the simplest kanjis. I remember the big ones but the small ones tend run away from my mind.

Reply #63 - 2008 June 06, 10:57 am
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Passed : 42 Failed : 21. 66%
But I have many more to review today. Gonna finnish it at night.

Reply #64 - 2008 June 06, 5:06 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

You remembered 40 of 72 kanji. 56%
Not that bad.

Yesterday I noticed I'm doing something really wrong.
I'm not using flashcards to review kanjis added in the first day.
I saw in the "leanmore.php" that it is strongly encouraged.
I'll start doing it saturday.

Reply #65 - 2008 June 06, 9:51 pm
Shibo Member
From: South Dakota, USA Registered: 2008-01-19 Posts: 132

Yeah man, what I do is make my cards for the next day at night.. I've made my 20 cards for tomorrow already tonight, as a matter of fact. Now, tomorrow, I'll drill them. My first pass through the cards I'm generally around 50% retention. Then I usually wait at least an hour and quiz myself again. I might do this one or two more times, by then I'm usually at 100%. Once I hit 100%, I put them into the SRS and drill them once more on RTK before bed. Then I make more cards for the next day. Rinse, repeat. It works fairly well for me.

Reply #66 - 2008 June 06, 10:02 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Uhm,
I will try your method starting tomorrow.
Monday I was crazy and added 100 kanji and my failed pile grew a lot so I was clearing it.
Today I finished it. Tomorrow I will see new kanji.
Tks again for your help.

Reply #67 - 2008 June 06, 10:05 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Btw, one of the great things of SRS is that it points out where you screw up for you ^_^.

Reply #68 - 2008 June 07, 1:59 am
Shibo Member
From: South Dakota, USA Registered: 2008-01-19 Posts: 132

100 kanji in a day? Ack. God love ya. The reviews alone would kill me if I ever did that.

Reply #69 - 2008 June 07, 10:14 am
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

No, no. It was only monday, So till yesterday it was 20/day. The reviews were not that bad as I cleared the failed pile slowly. But I'll use your method this week, starting today. Lets see how it goes!
Can you describe it a little better?

Reply #70 - 2008 June 07, 12:18 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

You remembered 74 of 120 kanji.
61%
Now, failed pile time!

Reply #71 - 2008 June 07, 2:47 pm
Shibo Member
From: South Dakota, USA Registered: 2008-01-19 Posts: 132

My method:  Today is Saturday, so in the course of the day, I will make 20 new flashcards that I will study on Sunday. I usually end up doing this in the afternoon or evening. I also have the pile of cards that I made on Friday, that I'll be drilling 3 or 4 times today. I typically look at them, wait an hour, look at them again, etc. Once I have 100% retention during a drill, I usually enter the cards into the SRS and drill them once before going to bed. Tomorrow, on Sunday, I'll have the cards I made today to review, and I'll make 20 new ones for Monday.

I'm away from my computer an awful lot, so using these cards is the best way for me to review on a daily basis. I can review at the dinner table, while watching my son play outside, etc etc.

*Edit: ok, 3:30 PM here, my first kanji study today.. First pass through the kanji cards that I finished at 6 PM yesterday, got 13 out of 20 right. I'll wait at least an hour and drill them again.

Last edited by Shibo (2008 June 07, 3:35 pm)

Reply #72 - 2008 June 07, 5:22 pm
QuackingShoe Member
From: USA Registered: 2008-04-19 Posts: 721

As it happens, I do something similar, though not with physical cards since I AM at a computer rather often, and I do it all in one day. I try to learn all the kanji I'm going to learn for the day sometime early (the morning, or early afternoon, circumstances dependent). I learn them in steps of 10-15, add them to the site, flashcard those, wait a little bit, then learn another 10-15, flashcard those, and continue until the lesson is over (I always learn in lesson-sized chunks). Then I delete all the new cards, re-add them, and review them all in one big bunch. I'll do this final bulk review (delete re-add) one or two more times in the same day, with one somewhere between 10 PM and 1 AM that night (when the the site server resets for me), at which point I leave it all up to the SRS from then on. So, I start off with a spaced repetition of a few hours before moving onto a couple days.

Occasionally this process will last two days if I just don't find the time to review them enough the first time around, like if I end up not starting to study until late evening, for instance. I'll learn them and do the first bulk review that night, and do subsequent reviews the next day before handing it over to the SRS.

Reply #73 - 2008 June 07, 5:51 pm
Shibo Member
From: South Dakota, USA Registered: 2008-01-19 Posts: 132

2nd pass through my cards, 20/20 right. I'll drill them in the SRS sometime before bed. My boy goes to bed at 8 tonight, so I'll make tomorrow's cards once he's in dreamland. ^^ This is a typical kanji day for me.
I could totally do more today, but just can't handle the additional daily review workload. so I'll be patient and wait till the end of the month to get this done at my current pace. \o/

Reply #74 - 2008 June 07, 8:20 pm
mentat_kgs Member
From: Brasil Registered: 2008-04-18 Posts: 1671 Website

Uhm, I'm allways close to a computer.
Today I'll stick to my paper cards (it was not that much troble to make them). Tomorrow I'll try QuackingShoe's trick. Your methods seem quite similar, its just that paper flashcards are not that fancy.

Reply #75 - 2008 June 07, 10:45 pm
cerulean Member
From: Ohio Registered: 2008-05-09 Posts: 133

Last finished 'Shopping Hero' and am currently watching 'My Boss My Hero'!

Japan has some great shows smile