Thinking about the keywords while reviewing sentences?

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Proxx Member
From: ドイツ Registered: 2007-01-26 Posts: 149 Website

Hi,

i'm wondering how you handle the following:
Do you try to remember the keyword/meaning of the single kanji when reviewing sentences in your srs? Or do you just try to recognize the whole compound?
For me it's often that i can regognize the meaning of the compound (for example 警察), but if I try to think about the kanjis (heisig) keywords it's takes a lot of time and sometimes I cannot remember it.
I'm just afraid that I will have problems after I will have added more sentences (currently about 570). So for the moment I can just "see" the meaning of the compound. i'm afraid that the more sentences I will add, the more I will have problems with "seeing" the meaning without thinking about the kanjis meaning.

I'm interested in your opinion and study method.

Proxx

tummai Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-03-14 Posts: 24 Website

My situation is a little backwards from yours.  I didn't do Heisig and I had a lot of sentences in my SRS.  I could recognize compounds and words for reading but often I couldn't write them because I'd get similar looking kanjis confused, or I just was reading the compounds as-is without paying careful attention to what kanji they consisted of.   It was due to this problem that I finally decided to pick up Heisig in the first place.

I'm about 750 frames into Heisig now, and I find that when I do my old SRS sentences that suddenly I will recognize the kanji in a compound and try to think up the keyword real quick.  Making this connection isn't that big a deal for me when it comes to reading and understanding words - I could do that fine pre-Heisig.  But it has been *extremely* helpful to me for writing the compounds.

It's also good for active recall later on, like if I am talking in Japanese and I can't remember a word I want to say.  If I've made the keyword connection in the compound for the word I'm trying to remember, sometimes it will come to me in keyword form, and then I can piece it together real quick.  Before Heisig I would have had to give up, use a different word or bust out the dictionary mid-conversation.  Now I can get the word I wanted to say, with only a small awkward pause.

So yeah, if you can think about the keywords when reviewing sentences, it can help them stick, or at least give you another hook to grab onto when you need to produce that word in an active recall situation (i.e. writing it down without looking at it, or thinking of a word on the fly in speech).

Reply #3 - 2008 April 26, 5:55 am
ファブリス Administrator
From: Belgium Registered: 2006-06-14 Posts: 4021 Website

I also try to remember the meaning of each character separately.

Adding sentences and vocab is a great time for checking your kanji > keyword recall. Once you have that simple mnemonic (like 非常 "un-" "usual" > "unusual/emergency") remembering the keyword from the character becomes easier.

I also believe like tummai, if you want to be able to write all the vocab from memory, the keyword recall is very helpful. It's not the exact keyword that matters, I think it's the fact that in your mind at that moment, seeing the compound, you need to be able to distinctly identify those characters out of the 2000+ you've learned in RtK1 (which is what keywords helps to do).

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Proxx Member
From: ドイツ Registered: 2007-01-26 Posts: 149 Website

Thanks for your answers.

I can understand what you mean and it sound logical. But for me it's quite hard to remember the keyword for a kanji, despite what Heisig says and what other rtk-members tell... Maybe also because English is not my native language. So I sit there and even if I can create the story for the compounds, I won't figure out that keyword...

Anyway, I will try to pay more attention to each kanjis keyword, and that was what I wanted to know. So thank you very much :-)

btw tummai: I saw the same "rest room" sign as you in Himeji in January and I was almost as exited as you ;-)

Last edited by Proxx (2008 April 26, 11:05 am)

Reply #5 - 2008 April 28, 1:04 am
Proxx Member
From: ドイツ Registered: 2007-01-26 Posts: 149 Website

Ok next question...

Do you try to remember the story, or is it enough if the keyword comes to your mind?
I mean, do you think it's useful to reconstruct the story even if you know the keyword?

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