RTK the second time through

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shaydwyrm Member
From: Boston Registered: 2007-04-26 Posts: 178 Website

I finished RTK sometime last summer, just before arriving in Japan.  After I got here though, I got too busy to keep up with my reviews, and after a bit of struggle, just kinda let them go.  Now I'm really feeling my kanji weakness again - my reading ability has skyrocketed, but my writing ability is still very weak, and I'm starting to lose track of little distinctions between similar kanji that came to me quite easily while RTK was still fresh.

So I'm going to go through RTK again (this time adding on RTK3 once I'm done with RTK1).  What I'm wondering is, how many people have done something like this?  How long can I expect it to take to get through RTK1 the second time through?  Do you think it's better to start from the beginning of the book again, or should I just attack my stacks here on the site?

Any experiences and/or tips are appreciated!

Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

If you can dedicate an entire day to going through the expired cards you should be able to get through them. After that just go through whatever you failed a few hundred at a time to mark them as learned.

I never had to do all of RTK that way, but I did do about 800 over a weekend.

If you really do stay on top of reviews they take virtually no time. Unless I let them pile up a bit I only have to spend maybe 5-10 minutes a day. Falling behind is a real snowball effect.

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if you have a lot of kanji that are not expired and you are not confident with your memory of them, just delete all your cards and re-add them. When you review use 'E' liberally for kanji that you know.

Last edited by Jarvik7 (2008 April 08, 11:45 pm)

wrightak Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2006-04-07 Posts: 873 Website

I've done something very similar. I've been going through it again creating Japanese keywords to replace the English ones. It's taken longer than I expected it to.

For me, I think it's definitely helped to go through again in order. That way you get all of the benefits that come with the Heisig ordering.

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Reply #4 - 2008 April 09, 4:14 am
woelpad Member
From: Chiba Registered: 2006-11-07 Posts: 425

I got to around 1800 the first time through, which is close enough. The second time was about a half year later. I removed all cards, then started adding cards at a rate of 40 a day excluding weekends, when I would only review. I didn't do any rehearsal beforehand, just reviewed and then went through the failed stack.  My recall rate (on the first stack) was 60% around 1000, at which time I lowered to 30 a day. It dropped below 50% around 1300 cards, which practically means that I did not recall the new primitives, but the clustering makes it possible to still succeed a few. The last few 100 that I still needed stories for, I added at 20 a day. I finished in 3 months. I'm now continuing with RTK3 at a leisurely pace (40 a week perhaps), focusing now more on RTK2.

Since most of it is refreshing your memory, and since you don't need to make up new stories, it's far less time consuming, far more enjoyable even, than the first time. Give it a try.

Reply #5 - 2008 April 09, 4:27 am
kyotokanji Member
From: Kyoto Registered: 2007-03-20 Posts: 160

I've never done this myself but maybe a good idea would be to start as completely new username and put all 2042 cards into the first pile in one go.  Then go through thirty minutes or so of clearing that pile each day.  Should take a couple of weeks and you'll get a good picture of whick kanji are moving along smoothly or which are getting stuck all the time. Also, try not to let your failed pile develope al all, if you fail them then move on straight away to studying them and getting them moving along.

munia Member
From: Spain Registered: 2005-11-08 Posts: 19 Website

You don't have to create a new user if you want to start over fresh. Just delete all your cards and you are ready to go.

Reply #7 - 2008 April 09, 5:05 pm
Nukemarine Member
From: 神奈川 Registered: 2007-07-15 Posts: 2347

If all your other information is in the RevTK database, just review normally at about 100 per day. Be very harsh when it comes to marking a "No". In your case, you have to write the kanji down and be very critical of stroke order and even the errant drop.

After 20 days, you should be caught up. Those that you got right MUST be in long term memory. Those that you got wrong are legitimately in the missed pile to start putting it back in long term memory.

Again, be critical. Even go as far as to realize you would have missed a kanji had you not had a brief review sometime earlier.

Reply #8 - 2008 April 10, 8:25 am
shaydwyrm Member
From: Boston Registered: 2007-04-26 Posts: 178 Website

Thanks for your input everyone.

Right now my plan is to switch to Anki and go through the book in order again, so that I can get a refresher on all the primitives and rebuild my stories.  I can do this pretty quickly - I had to take a day off from work today for illness and got through about 500 cards - so I'll be able to get the kanji roughly in order of difficulty in about a week at the outside.  After the first review I'll start getting the kanji in random order, so I can pin down specific stories that need work. 

I set up the scheduling so that 1-3 follow normal intervals (1 day and 3-5 days), but 4 puts the card about a month in the future.  This lets me filter the list down to just the troublesome kanji very quickly.

akrodha Member
From: Miami, FL Registered: 2006-08-30 Posts: 98 Website

Heh, I'm going through the exact same thing. I had finished RTK 1 about a year ago, and had kept up with my reviews. But exams and thesis rolled around, and I completely neglected everything.

A few days ago I started using the site again, and upon logging in I was promptly greeted with 1800 expired cards! Aaaargh! It's really heartbreaking to see most of my orange stack in box 4 go straight back to my failed pile.

But I'm not giving up, and neither should you! Revisiting old, forgotten stories is far quicker than thinking up new ones. All we gotta do is keep hacking away at those orange and red stacks.

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