About to finish RTK1, is it worth it to also do RTK2+RTK3??

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Reply #1 - 2008 March 11, 2:42 pm
romanrozhok Member
From: NY state Registered: 2007-02-26 Posts: 37

I am about to finish RTK1, and I am wondering if it is worth my time to do the other book. Are the other 1000 kanji useful? Do they show up often? Or are they a bunch of harder, less common kanji, that one would really not have to worry about to get by?

I mean, I understand that it would be a good idea either way, but considering how time consuming the process is, is it something that I will be rewarded for in the end? Or is Heisig just trying to make more money from the other books?

Thanks,
Roman

Reply #2 - 2008 March 11, 3:54 pm
cracky Member
From: Las Vegas Registered: 2007-06-25 Posts: 260

I only finished RTK1.  You do run into the kanji from RTK3, I usually make a story when I come across them though.  Might be worth going through if you can stay in the groove after RTK1.

RTK2 however: I've been learning readings just fine as I learn words so I don't really miss not doing that one

Reply #3 - 2008 March 11, 5:57 pm
romanrozhok Member
From: NY state Registered: 2007-02-26 Posts: 37

Yeah I mean learning readings is not my issue. I have no problem with that, and don't trust Heisig anyways. I just want to know as far as the raw kanji, if they are useful enough to make stories for.

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Reply #4 - 2008 March 11, 6:27 pm
Jarvik7 Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2007-03-05 Posts: 3946

romanrozhok wrote:

Yeah I mean learning readings is not my issue. I have no problem with that, and don't trust Heisig anyways. I just want to know as far as the raw kanji, if they are useful enough to make stories for.

RTK2 is just readings, so if you don't want to learn readings from Heisig you don't need that book at all. Personally, I'd continue with other JP studies after RTK1, while maybe chipping away at RTK3 slowly. RTK3 is after all less than half the size of RTK1 and you have more experience to build on so it shouldn't take that long.

Reply #5 - 2008 March 11, 6:57 pm
scout Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2005-11-29 Posts: 63

So far it looks like it's probably worth stepping back and looking at how useful RTK3 will be for the content you're actually interesting in reading/writing before you decide to jump in.

Recently, when I find kanji I don't regonize I've been copything them into the search box on the study page.  So far I'd say about half of the non-RTK1 kanji I run into are in RTK3.

(Take the above with a grain of salt as I just finished my first pass through RTK1.)

Reply #6 - 2008 March 11, 7:01 pm
dukelexon Member
From: Utah Registered: 2007-12-02 Posts: 44

If you're interested in doing things like reading novels, or functioning at least almost as well in Japanese as you do in English, the benefit of the extra 1000-odd kanji in the third book is almost necessary.

For me, it was never a question that I wouldn't stop at the Jouyou.  I intend to be able to read Japanese science fiction and fantasy.  That's a personal thing, however ... if you never plan to move away from simple manga or newspapers, you may not need it.

Personally, I went right from RTK1 to RTK3.  I've been trying to learn readings as Khatsumoto recommends, in context, upon my first encounter with the kanji I learned from Heisig in a real-life sentence.  So far, it's working brilliantly.

If you'd rather go the more traditional route of strictly memorizing readings for each kanji, which has very strong benefits, RTK2 can indeed be useful ... there's a lot of buzz in the community about foregoing RTK2 for the kanji "chain" method, however.

The general consensus, as far as I can tell, is that the second book is the least useful of the three, but that isn't to say that it's useLESS.

Last edited by dukelexon (2008 March 12, 7:23 pm)

rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

I'm right at 1852, and I can almost see the finish line for RTK1, but... I'm thinking about just plowing on and doing the RTK3 kanji just to get them out of the way, because I also want to read some Japanese sci-fi stuff. Since I know how important momentum is, I guess I'll just plow on and finish up. I'll have a brief celebration when I get those last kanji in vol.1 into pile 1, and then go on to start RTK3. Oof.

Reply #8 - 2008 March 12, 1:13 am
romanrozhok Member
From: NY state Registered: 2007-02-26 Posts: 37

Thanks for the replies.

Yeah, I am not interested in Heisig's readings in rtk2. I guess I will skim rtk2, and take a look at rtk3.

Thanks.

Reply #9 - 2008 March 12, 2:53 am
uberstuber Member
Registered: 2007-03-27 Posts: 238

What I did was
RTK 1
Be able to write at least something with every RTK kanji (via AJATT method)
Now I'm starting RTK 3

RTK 3 is definitely worth it if your going to be doing any kind of reading (which you should).

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