ファブリス wrote:

Currently [my over-zealous script] checks to see how many priority entries (those are the top 24000 frequent words), which use the kanji. Then it sees how many priority entries exist for each chinese reading for that character, and decides to put the character in the group with the most entries.

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This is based on the current assumption that kanji chains will have only one reading per character and that learners can learn additional readings on the go. The onyomi groups had to be carefully setup to work with kanji chains, which is how the onyomi groups are configured now.

I got an odd case when I added one sentence. One of the words is 椅子(いす) and now I have the イ and ス group marked blue in the On Readings, but the kanji are not listed in any of the groups (don't have any of the other kanji either):
椅 have the reading イ, but not in RTK1.
子 have the reading ス, but is listed under シ.

I can understand that 椅 affects the イ group since the kanji in RTK3 will probably be listed as well in the future, but 子 should not affect another group if only the most common reading matters.

I just want to thank you for this amazing program you have created. I really appreciate all you hard work gone into Trinity, and the whole site in general. It's tools like this, mixed with a lot of hard work, which is really going to help me with my Japanese.

No bugs for me so far for me =] but just a couple of ideas, and by looking at this topic alone, I'm sure you are getting a fair few! -

1) On the vocab lists from the vocab and sentence pages, could you make it so that when you click a Kanji, it would send you to that Kanji page?

2) On the vocab / sentence lists, could it be possible to show how many times you have got that vocab / sentence correct and indicate that you need to practise it more.

3) On the On readings page, could you make it show how many readings you have out of the total possible readings? like 3/10, etc, and possibly have a colour indicater of how far you have come with each reading (like blue for 100%, orange for 50% etc)

4) On the Kanji reading / vocab pages with different readings, as well with the Heisig word being shown, could you also put the Heisig number as well? I am only at 325 Kanji and I would like to know with some Kanji, how far I am to reaching it.

5) Could you be able to make it possible to sort vocab lists in alphatbetical and date order?

Also I am wondering how is Trinity going to meld with the rest of the site? I would love to be albe to see my Kanji writing mnemonic, my Kanji reading mnemonic and my vocab / reading lists for that Kanji all together. (are we getting that with Trinity as well? Sharing mnemonics to remember the different readings?)

Thank you again

Excellent job on Trinity! This is going to be a fabulous tool. I'm excited about it.

I especially like to Writing Quiz feature. It's an excellent check to make sure I really know the kanji -- more than simply recognizing it. Are there plans to keep track of the review status eventually? This would be extremely helpful. If I got it wrong, I want to review it later. Otherwise, I don't see the point of answering Yes/No/Easy. I would like to see a separate Writing tab like the Sentences and Vocabulary tabs. Alternatively, the word in the Vocabulary tab could be reset to Failed.

One additional point: The vocabulary section doesn't allow me to create a kana word if there exists a kanji equivalent. For example, I entered について and had to select from a list of kanji options. I just wanted to keep the kana word and its definition.

These points may have been mentioned previously in this long discussion thread.

Anyway, がんばってください！ I'm looking forward to the Beta release.

Last edited by RickN (2008 March 22, 7:51 pm)

ファブリス, Any chance you can link trinity to COMPDIC, EDICT just doesn't have some of the words I want to add that are in COMPDIC.

Ok I added a "Beta version checklist" into the first post and an entry for COMPDIC.

One thing I've noticed is that when I finish reviewing my expired vocabulary cards, the bar-graph page loads, but it always loads back to the sentence tab, which kind of throws me off every time.  Whoa!  I've got nothing!  Then I remember to change tabs to the vocab section.  Ahh, there my green stacks are.
It would be a nice little fix if at the end of the review the system automatically took me back to the tab that I was reviewing.

Learn more page wrote:

Each time you add new cards, they go to the top of the blue stack. When you click the blue stack you get to review the most recently added cards first.

Is this how it works on the sentences page in trinity as well?  If so my vote would be to switch it to the oldest cards being reviewed first.  Like someone else mentioned on this thread, I like to work on the sentence vocabulary for a few days before I quiz the sentences.  But if the blue stack is reviewing the newest sentences, it doesn't give me a chance to study the vocab...

I have started playing with Trinity and it looks really great.
Here are a couple of suggestions that came to my mind (sorry if it was discussed previously -- there are so many contributions to this thread already?)

- I think some users may want to practice with Trinity before actually completing RevTK (my case at least). So it would be nice if a connection existed between the two so that the kanji that have not yet been studied are displayed distinctly in sentences. Even better, they could appear in kana in the quizz until they have been learned in RevTK. For that of course, the program should somehow know the proper pronunciation in each particular case. This could be entered at the time the sentenced is typed in. Actually, I feel that there might be an extra field specifically for the pronunciation, like in Anki rather than putting everything in the Note field (one can then choose to leave it empty).

- I am currently working on RevTK in its French version using the GreaseMonkey scripts (thanks Woelpad!), but I still wish those invaluable (for me ;-)  ) features will some day be included in the core of the website. It would be great if this point could be considered in Trinity from an early stage so that international users can practice more comfortably in their own language. I remember there are some scary copyright issues involved here concerning RTK, but one might also thing of Edict which has French and German translations if I remember correctly.

Admittedly I have no idea of how complex those features would be to implement.
In any case the site is great. Very nice job!

Yesterday's update

In Manage Vocab > Vocablists table, click "Kanji" to test yourself on the kanji that appears in your vocablist. KNOWN BUG : It does not include kanji with irregular readings yet.

Today's update

In Manage Vocab > Vocablists table, click "Vocab" to test yourself on the vocab from that list. Great for reviewing lessons and such. Or if you store a Japanese excerpt in the vocablist notes, and attached vocabulary, likewise you can review vocab for that article.

In both cases by "test" I mean review without a flashcard status update. You can repeat as many times as you want.

Bug fix

Fixed error in Sentence Editor when saving sentence with some special characters. Fixed related bug with special characters in Sentence Pack names.

(thanks vosmiura!)

I just want to say that Trinity is incredible. I can't wait to see the final version.

As I am reviewing in Trinity I thought I'd mention another use for the clickable kanji in Vocab Review:

Technically Vocab added through the Kanji Study page should also have a "Source" link on the right side, that would take you to the Kanji Study page instead of Sentence or Vocab list (Trinity knows where from you added the vocabulary item).

This link is not there yet, so when you want to add a new example word for a kanji appearing in your vocab review which you didn't remember well, or remove a word you no longer want to review, which was also added through the Kanji Study page; clicking the kanji in the prompt lets you do that.