How do you go about learning 50+ kanji a day?

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Reply #1 - September 13, 1:05 pm
murtada Member
From: Michigan Registered: 2014-06-12 Posts: 67

Do you even it out throughout the day or do you force it down like a fat man in a buffet? I'd like to get this over with as fast as possible so please tell me how on earth you were able to handle 50+ kanji a day.

Reply #2 - September 13, 1:10 pm
RandomQuotes Member
From: Japan Registered: 2012-01-26 Posts: 134

When I did it, about an of review hour in the morning and afternoon, and at  night about an hour and a half of learning new ones.

Reply #3 - September 13, 3:20 pm
Yatagarasu Member
Registered: 2013-08-18 Posts: 22

I forced them down but in retrospect it was a terrible idea, my review load was so high that I pretty much did nothing in Japanese other than Anki and ended up burning out for 3~ months. I ended up quitting my RTK reviews somewhere down the line but I'm doing fine either way, kanji really aren't as terrifying as I thought when I was just starting out.

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Reply #4 - September 13, 6:09 pm
bertoni Member
From: Mountain View, CA, USA Registered: 2009-11-08 Posts: 291

RandomQuotes wrote:

When I did it, about an of review hour in the morning and afternoon, and at  night about an hour and a half of learning new ones.

That's about what I did.  I didn't force the learning rate, though.  I started at less than 50 kanji per day, and sped up as I got better than learning them.  Did the 500 or so in 5 days, but it took me 6 weeks or maybe a bit less to get through the deck.

Reply #5 - September 13, 6:49 pm
Givala Member
From: Venezuela Registered: 2013-09-22 Posts: 30

I did them all in one go but, my review pile just kept getting bigger, and with school on the way I barely had time to review, so in the end it took me a couple of months, and a week on wich I did 100 a day... (Definetely don't do that)
My advice? Go slower about it, and if you can handle it, then by all means do all the ones you want.

Reply #6 - September 20, 2:31 pm
jeffberhow Member
Registered: 2014-07-07 Posts: 19

Did 40 a day until about 1600 and then the reviews were getting massive, so I focused on just review. Now I'm rushing through 100 a day to finish off. I spread them out through the day, and retention rate is still the same, more or less. I do have to put other hobbies on hiatus until I'm done though, but the benefits I've seen already make it worthwhile.

Reply #7 - October 09, 4:21 pm
Kysen Member
From: England Registered: 2011-03-17 Posts: 25

Its better not to rush it, as you will get huge spikes of reviews even months later. As for how, over time it gets easier and easier to take in more words at a go.

Reply #8 - October 09, 5:40 pm
vileru Member
From: Cambridge, MA Registered: 2009-07-08 Posts: 750

In an old thread, there was a general consensus that the most efficient way to handle reviews and learning is to rapidly switch between them (e.g. review 30 cards, learn 15, and repeat).

The OP held the unofficial RevTK record for completing RTK in the least amount of time for a few years (at 22 days). The OP has long since left the forum, but I remember someone had recently (within the past year) beat the record (of course, I'm assuming the record holders aren't lying). If still around, hopefully the new record holder could share some tips.

EDIT: I found the new record holder, shalazin. Unfortunately, it looks like that user has also long left the forum.

Last edited by vileru (October 09, 5:51 pm)

Reply #9 - October 09, 6:07 pm
jessem Member
Registered: 2014-01-21 Posts: 29

bertoni wrote:

RandomQuotes wrote:

When I did it, about an of review hour in the morning and afternoon, and at  night about an hour and a half of learning new ones.

That's about what I did.  I didn't force the learning rate, though.  I started at less than 50 kanji per day, and sped up as I got better than learning them.  Did the 500 or so in 5 days, but it took me 6 weeks or maybe a bit less to get through the deck.

This. Be wary of rushing... adding 2,000 cards in less than a month is pretty possible, but it's the many months after that, where you constantly have 2,000 cards demanding reviews beating down on your daily life, that'll get you...

That said, I experimented and found my concentration for new stories waned after about 20 cards. So I would learn 20 cards, take a break (do some reviews or some fun immersion or something) and then do another set of 20. Sometimes I'd do the sets and breaks all at my desk at once, but usually it was like 20 new cards in the morning, school, 20 new cards after school, and then 20 again before dinner. You can rack up your numbers like that without wearing down too much or getting bored.

But reviews!
Do you have time to review heavily for 2-3 months after you finishing cramming on kanji?
Be wary!

Reply #10 - October 09, 6:37 pm
Vempele Member
Registered: 2013-06-16 Posts: 615

EDIT: I found the new record holder, shalazin. Unfortunately, it looks like that user has also long left the forum.

I believe uisukii was even faster, but alas, he too has left the forum.

Reply #11 - October 09, 7:37 pm
Inny Jan Member
From: Cichy Kącik Registered: 2010-03-09 Posts: 720

All this talking about SM model/workload vs. new cards per day prompted me to script the learning process with SuperMemo algorithm (Anki uses SM-2, in case you didn't know).

Get the script below, run the simulation and see for yourself how adding 50 cards a day is going to be like. The format of the output is:
day(day-number) ->  cards-to-review total-number-of-cards-in-learning
[code-start]
#!/usr/bin/env python
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

import random

DAYS = 2 * 356 # Period under consideration in days
NIPD = 50 # New Items Per Day
SAAD = 2200 / NIPD # Stop Adding After Day
FI = 0.2 # Forgetting Index
INTERVALS = [1, 3, 7, 16, 40, 98, 245, 611, 1526]

class Item:
    pass

items = []

def review_items():
    items_due = []
    for item in items:
        item.due -= 1
        if item.due == 0:
            items_due.append(item)

    print len(items_due), len(items)
   
    due_fail_nb = len(items_due) * FI
    due_cnt = 0
    while True:
        ln = len(items_due)
        if ln == 0:
            break
           
        i = random.randint(0, ln - 1)
        item = items_due[i]
       
        # pass
        if due_cnt > due_fail_nb:
            item.interval_idx += 1
        # fail
        else:
            item.interval_idx = 0
        item.due = INTERVALS[item.interval_idx]
       
        due_cnt += 1
        items_due.remove(item)

def add_items(n):
    for i in range(0, n):
        item = Item()
        item.id = len(items)
        item.interval_idx = 0
        item.due = INTERVALS[item.interval_idx]
        items.append(item)

for day in range(0, DAYS):
    print 'day(' + str(day) + ') -> ',
    review_items()
    if day < SAAD:
        add_items(NIPD)
[code-end]

EDIT:
Removed [code]...[/code] markup to workaround broken displaying of code...

Last edited by Inny Jan (October 09, 9:59 pm)

Reply #12 - October 09, 8:25 pm
yogert909 Member
From: Los Angeles, Ca Registered: 2013-05-03 Posts: 270 Website

Inny Jan,  The forum software seems to be corrupting your code.  Would you mind posting to pastebin somewhere else?  I'm very interested in testing out your code.  Thanks!

Reply #13 - October 09, 8:54 pm
vileru Member
From: Cambridge, MA Registered: 2009-07-08 Posts: 750

Vempele wrote:

EDIT: I found the new record holder, shalazin. Unfortunately, it looks like that user has also long left the forum.

I believe uisukii was even faster, but alas, he too has left the forum.

You're right. The relevant thread can be found here. Uisukii claims to have finished RTK1 in exactly 14 days.

Also, has anyone noticed that, for some reason, the "author" search function does not work for only some of the banned/retired forum users. For example, the author search function turns up nothing when I search for posts by "uisukii" or "bodhisamaya". But I get results when I search "nest0r" or "IceCream". Does anyone know why?

Reply #14 - October 09, 9:51 pm
Inny Jan Member
From: Cichy Kącik Registered: 2010-03-09 Posts: 720

yogert909 wrote:

Inny Jan,  The forum software seems to be corrupting your code.  Would you mind posting to pastebin somewhere else?  I'm very interested in testing out your code.  Thanks!

I don't think the code is corrupted (it's just displayed with some mashing with other posts sad ) - you still should be able to copy&paste from the page here.

One option you can use is "Inspect Element"  in Firefox (right-click on an element you want an info on and go from there).

Or you could turn "Caret Browsing" on (F7 key) and use keyboard to highlight the text to copy.

(I'm at work at the moment and we have blocked access to many sites that have been decided to be "counterproductive"...)

EDIT:
Anyway, I've just removed the [code] tags.

Last edited by Inny Jan (October 09, 10:03 pm)

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