I feel like all I've done here recently is advocate for subs2srs. But it really is very good.

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Reposting from here, but card layout is like so:

Audio is on the front and back. I repeat the sentence aloud after listening to it - a pass is if I can repeat/read it correctly and understand what it means.
Sources are all anime - primarily Mujin Wakusei Survive, Dokidoki and Heartcatch Precure, Kamisama no Inai Nichiyoubi, Galilei Donna, Madoka movies 1+2, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Spirited Away, and have just started on Sora no Woto, for a total of about 5100 cards.

2. I think it's vastly superior to no audio in every way. Retention is better, and you pick up natural intonation, pronunciation, etc. I don't see any downside. My listening is not significantly worse than my reading, I think.

3. It's pretty fabulous.

Last edited by Aikynaro (January 08, 7:15 am)

kameden wrote:

Aikynaro wrote:

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Maybe it's hard to tell, but as a result of using audio, do you think your listening has increased more than if you just spent that time listening to actual audio? Also you put the sentence on the front? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of really having audio to begin with? Or are these just reading cards that just happen to have audio?

I know you asked Aikynaro, but from personal experience subs2srs enhanced my listening. Prior to using subs2srs in earnest, I had listened to Japanese constantly (audio rips of dramas mainly) and in reality never gained much from it. I later found that listening to audio rips of dramas that I had completed with subs2srs and Anki supercharged my listening. My theory is by using subs2srs, I turned the ripped audio from Japanese gibberish  with bits of words I understood into comprehensible audio that I could follow along in real time.

I didn't with my first drama (hour long audio), but after the second and third drama (so now up to 3 hours of audio) it became more than apparent. I also found my speaking sounding more natural.

Your mileage may vary.

Nukemarine wrote:

I know you asked Aikynaro, but from personal experience subs2srs enhanced my listening. Prior to using subs2srs in earnest, I had listened to Japanese constantly (audio rips of dramas mainly) and in reality never gained much from it. I later found that listening to audio rips of dramas that I had completed with subs2srs and Anki supercharged my listening. My theory is by using subs2srs, I turned the ripped audio from Japanese gibberish  with bits of words I understood into comprehensible audio that I could follow along in real time.

I didn't with my first drama (hour long audio), but after the second and third drama (so now up to 3 hours of audio) it became more than apparent. I also found my speaking sounding more natural.

Your mileage may vary.

How do you have your cards set up?

kameden wrote:

Aikynaro wrote:

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Maybe it's hard to tell, but as a result of using audio, do you think your listening has increased more than if you just spent that time listening to actual audio? Also you put the sentence on the front? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of really having audio to begin with? Or are these just reading cards that just happen to have audio?

Everything I'm listening to through subs2srs is comprehensible, which isn't the case with just listening to normal audio. It's not really 'listening practice' if it isn't done in a controlled environment like Anki and without definitions and everything handy - it's just straight up listening. And listening is hard because you don't understand everything and it's like trying to put together a puzzle at lightning speed without all the pieces. If you have all the pieces and know what you're listening for, it's easier to recognise it next time you hear it.
(That's the theory I pulled out of my arse just then, anyway)
So, the short answer is yes, I think it's helped. My level was so low before starting my subs2srs deck though that it's hard to make any comparisons.

My cards are primarily for vocabulary recognition - they're not intended purely as listening practice. The listening practice is bonus, although it helps with remembering words too - so it's like an ultra-mega bonus.

do you guys think subs2srs can completely replace core? (I'm at the 2200 mark).  or would you recommend doing both

I've never used core, so - yeah, it can. But adding subs2srs cards is a more labour-intensive process than adding core cards, so if you're looking to sprint through lots of vocabulary keeping core might be a good idea. If you're going slow-and-steady, doing just subs2srs might be better. Or if you have time, both is, of course, an excellent option.

Last edited by Aikynaro (January 08, 8:47 am)

One thing I really recommend if you use subs2srs is to set it up so that you have buffers of audio a few seconds before and a few seconds after the current sentence. You can even bring in the sentences that occur before and after the current sentence and include them in your card. I found subs2srs decks a lot more useful when I added this additional context around the current sentence. Some shorter sentences especially can be hard to comprehend when heard in isolation. Just my two cents.

Also, I personally preferred doing subs2srs early on as opposed to using core or a pre-built deck. I found it far more engaging, although as another poster said, it requires a larger initial time investment to create and annotate your decks.

gaiaslastlaugh wrote:

One thing I really recommend if you use subs2srs is to set it up so that you have buffers of audio a few seconds before and a few seconds after the current sentence.

This is so insanely important that it should be the default.  When I first started making cards I didn't have the full context and sometimes its hard to fully understand a comment if you can't remember the previous line.  This seems to happen a lot in anime where a one-liner comment will only make sense in the context of the previous one and also in dramas when the characters are doing long monologues.

I decided to drop the core deck and try doing subs2srs with bleach with very basic cards. Most of the problems I have with listening is with males so I figure this is a good show to do it with (I don't really know much about the show). I have to retime the subs, but oh well.