qwertyytrewq wrote:

Which is it?

Seems kinda awkward to continue the discussion about his post.  Might be best to let the dog fall asleep, and then let it lie.

uisukii wrote:

Sorry if the novellas offended anyone. I guess all that time reading is boring. Hopefully the people who are using any of the DoJG work that I've typed up/still working on and allowing people to use it as they will, isn't also mind numbingly boring, considering the hundreds of hours involved.

Nobody was questioning your value as a forum member.  There were just a couple of people who said that you might be being unreasonable in this case.  (I'm not saying they're right or anything--I'm obviously biased being the other party and all)

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^ Yeah it's much of a muchness I think. There are arguments for starting with either one, but basically you NEED to be able to use both anyway so who cares?

That said... As someone who started all desu/masu with univeresity classes, it's still easier for me to converse in that way even after living in Japan for the last year...

*gotta keep chatting with those elementary kids!

" Things are said that
would not be said face to face.
Frankly, where I am from if you called
someone you Liar the best outcome
would be a right-hander thrown or
worst, a stabbing. It just would not
be tolerated."

To be fair, if moleman was talking face to face, he would be less likely to make the claims he has made in this thread (EG. his judgment on his own abilities would be more truthful and less embellished EG. (sleep through half of N1)). Hence, there would also be less likely for accusations of lying/lying by omission.

I don't know where you come from but violence is unacceptable against mere words and in that situation that says more about the person committing the physical violence and less about the person making verbal claims.

"Do you realize how negative and demotivating some of you sound?"

Maybe our opinions here can be considered negative and demotivating.

But on the flipside, do you realize that claims of "N1 is so easy I can study Japanese for 1 year and sleep through half the test and pass" and "Fluent (definition of fluent aside) in 3 months!" can be considered unrealistic, overly positive, and in the short term motivating, but nevertheless in the medium/long term demotivating?

"I reckon you are all Nestor is disguise."

I reckon you are HonyakuJoshua in disguise My source is your indirect threats of violence and particularly the reference to stabbing and the fact that you live in the same country.

Last edited by qwertyytrewq (2013 October 16, 2:52 pm)

uisukii wrote:

qwertyytrewq wrote:

do you realize that claims of "N1 is so easy I can study Japanese for 1 year and sleep through half the test and pass"

No one has or is making such a claim.

How about "I can study Japanese for one year and sleep through half the test and pass" then.

qwertyytrewq wrote:

uisukii wrote:

qwertyytrewq wrote:

do you realize that claims of "N1 is so easy I can study Japanese for 1 year and sleep through half the test and pass"

No one has or is making such a claim.

How about "I can study Japanese for one year and sleep through half the test and pass" then.

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mr_hans_moleman wrote:

I took the test on July 4, 2010 at Saitama University.

Yes, I studied a lot. Like I said before, I did not have to study the previous JLPT tests. I tried doing one of the sample tests and found it quite easy, so I dropped my pencil halfway through it and decided that I was very much ready for the N1 test.

1 year and something months = 1 year and "16" months = 2 years and 4 months.

I passed the test after studying for 2 years and 4 months. It doesn't necessarily mean that I needed to study for 2 years and 4 months to pass the test. I could have taken the test at my 1 year and 6 month mark and still have passed it. But, who can really know those things? 

"my question to these people that have sacrificed everything to speak japanese so quickly is...: do you have anything interesting to say?"

After you get to a certain level, you can learn things using Japanese as the medium. I learned how to play the piano by searching for tutorials in Japanese. I would look up recipes in Japanese.

I think we all have something interesting to say. We just have to talk about our life experiences, our happy moments and those moments that make us cringe. I'm not good at telling jokes but I can spin on my head

I have never taken a single class in Japanese. I learned it all by myself. I could have expedited the process if I had some guidance.Yes, I had to sacrifice a lot of time to learn Japanese but a whole new world opened up to me as result.

When was my last date?
That's all I did when I was in Japan.
If you are a single lady, pretty and looking, then let's have a SKYPE date. lol
Just don't tell my girlfriend.

Devoting yourself to your studies doesn't mean that you'll be a hermit. When I lived in Tokyo, I was talking to everybody(well, just the pretty girls).

If you want to talk more, let's talk in Japanese. I need the practice!

Perhaps it would be more productive is the claims been criticized were actually read.

This thread just keeps on descending; so let's stop here with the bickering.

If it continues I will lock this thread until Benny posts another video/article.

Inny Jan wrote:

uisukii wrote:

Why aren't the already fluent and/or members who have been using Japanese already for years spending time posting in and propagating "日本語 only" threads? Why aren't they starting and continuing audio discussing with other members?

Actually uisukii has a point here - where are these threads in which Tzadeck and JapaneseRuleOf7 (to call out the names) would use Japanese only? Many people here would benefit from that, I'm sure.

*Hopefully RawToast will not consider this post a descending one.

O.o

You'll find them both stickied to the top of the "general discussion" forum....

The Japanese only one has been around for a loooooooong time... The videos one is recent...

He's going to put a new video out on Friday:
https://mobile.twitter.com/irishpolyglo … 2021495808

Inny Jan wrote:

. . .those people who are so vocal in this thread and also claim they reached reasonable level in Japanese (again, Tzadek and JapaneseRuleOf7) are not posters in those threads. Interestingly enough, the guy who they are picking up on, mr_hans_moleman, did post there.

This forum needs more Japanese only threads . . .

You sure about that?

Jeez, people give me a hard time for my use of ungrammatical English.  Now you want a dose of my Japanese?

Vempele wrote:

qwertyytrewq wrote:

How about "I can study Japanese for one year and sleep through half the test and pass" then.

One year and some months (which later turned out to be over 12 months...)

I think this is the root of evil of this thread, and it's quite weird if you ask me, lol.

Since this is my first post in this thread, I welcome Benny to our forums and wish him the best of luck. On a YouTube video I asked him several questions in several comments and he replied to all of them! That's what I call cool! Thanks Benny!

EDIT: These two videos of his are my favorite:
Top 10 lessons learned in travelling the world 10 years
TEDxSanAntonio - Benny Lewis - Fluent in Three Months - Rapid Language Hacking

Last edited by undead_saif (2013 October 17, 4:38 am)

Inny Jan wrote:

This forum needs more Japanese only threads, especially from advanced learners.

I'm not sure, since I don't really see the point of those threads.  Not only can you practice writing in Japanese on Lang-8, but you can also interact with real Japanese people beyond just mutual corrections.  I guess the one advantage to practice writing Japanese here would be a sense of camaraderie among members, which might be motivating to some.  But I just can't see it being beneficial at a level that would outweigh the benefits of posting on places like Lang-8.

Personally, I treated those Japanese only threads the same way I treat all threads--at first skim them, then if it seems interesting read them, and finally if something strikes me post.  But it didn't happen.  I think the real problem with those threads is they didn't really have topics, so the conversation is really boring.  Also, I've seen even on other forums that in those types of threads people often act like 5 year-olds on the school bus--they talk at each other, not with each other.  It's like a series of monologues.

(Edit:  I guess there is one advantage I can think of--more Japanese threads would allow this forum to get more members that can't speak English.)

Last edited by Tzadeck (2013 October 17, 6:21 am)

A fun exercise would be to take this thread and translate it to japanese.

I usually don't have much to say or write about so I take interesting english content from other folks and translate it and get it corrected.  Best thing I've done to get past the intermediate plateau.

This thread is a goldmine of things to translate.  Thx!

Tzadeck wrote:

Inny Jan wrote:

This forum needs more Japanese only threads, especially from advanced learners.

I'm not sure, since I don't really see the point of those threads.  Not only can you practice writing in Japanese on Lang-8, but you can also interact with real Japanese people beyond just mutual corrections.  I guess the one advantage to practice writing Japanese here would be a sense of camaraderie among members, which might be motivating to some.  But I just can't see it being beneficial at a level that would outweigh the benefits of posting on places like Lang-8.

Personally, I treated those Japanese only threads the same way I treat all threads--at first skim them, then if it seems interesting read them, and finally if something strikes me post.  But it didn't happen.  I think the real problem with those threads is they didn't really have topics, so the conversation is really boring.  Also, I've seen even on other forums that in those types of threads people often act like 5 year-olds on the school bus--they talk at each other, not with each other.  It's like a series of monologues.

(Edit:  I guess there is one advantage I can think of--more Japanese threads would allow this forum to get more members that can't speak English.)