Would this work?
Front
Clozed deletion sentence
Picture
Directions of whats being portrayed, ideally in Japanese, English if necessary.
*I guess it doesn't have to be so intense
Back
Picture again
Sentence in furigana with answer
Vocab word with reading
Audio, if you have. I'm just going to make a flip of Core 6k, to this format.
Explanation, again ideally in Japanese, English if necessary.
Example
Front
あの人は ( ) を持っています
Picture of a guy with a watch, zoomed in
彼は何を着ている？
(If needed) *Wear, object
Back:
Picture of a guy with a watch, zoomed in
あの人(ひと）は時計(とけい）を持っています(もっています）
*The answer would be in bold, or some fancy color to differentiate it from the other words
時計 - とけい
Audio
*Nothing really extra needed here, i'd say it would be needed for some verbs though. My Japanese isn't at a super high level, but with my level of vocabulary I can get around and make some explanations of the vocab word.
What do you guys think?
SomeCallMeChris
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It would work for simple nouns and verbs (wristwatch, grapes, cat, dog, run, drive), but not for more abstract words (negotiable, difficult, superior). It would be confusing with adverbs and adjectives (quickly, heavy) if the nouns and verbs in the sentence don't match the picture.
The more important question is... is it worth the time? I think probably not, you'll be spending a lot of time searching for appropriate pictures. If you enjoy the process, it's fine and you'll learn something, but if you're looking for the most efficient way to study this won't be it.
pmnox
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From: USA
Registered: 2010-11-08
Posts: 221
Xanpakuto wrote:
Would this work?
Front
Clozed deletion sentence
Picture
Directions of whats being portrayed, ideally in Japanese, English if necessary.
*I guess it doesn't have to be so intense
Back
Picture again
Sentence in furigana with answer
Vocab word with reading
Audio, if you have. I'm just going to make a flip of Core 6k, to this format.
Explanation, again ideally in Japanese, English if necessary.
Example
Front
あの人は ( ) を持っています
Picture of a guy with a watch, zoomed in
彼は何を着ている？
(If needed) *Wear, object
Back:
Picture of a guy with a watch, zoomed in
あの人(ひと）は時計(とけい）を持っています(もっています）
*The answer would be in bold, or some fancy color to differentiate it from the other words
時計 - とけい
Audio
*Nothing really extra needed here, i'd say it would be needed for some verbs though. My Japanese isn't at a super high level, but with my level of vocabulary I can get around and make some explanations of the vocab word.
What do you guys think?
I think that you can make it work. However, there are some words that may be hard to distinguish. Like 車(kuruma) 自動車(jidousha) both mean car. What I do with my production deck is adding some hint whenever it's necessary to distinguish between the two/three words. Like "1k"(1 kanji), "3k" (3 kanji), hk (hiragana first then kanji), h (only hiragana), ka (katakana), etc.
You may have same issue when multiple adjectives, nouns or verbs are possible. You could either add the English keyword or Japanese reading to make it distinct.
Wherever I'm confused about which word to use A or B, and if there are few possibilities I would add a hint "not A", meaning that I don't want to recall the word A, just word B.
For 車 I could just add a hint like "not jidousha", meaning that I it's a synonym to jidousha, but a different word.
Most of the time I don't add any hints. I just add the minimum amount of information necessary to produce the word.
pmnox
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From: USA
Registered: 2010-11-08
Posts: 221
Xanpakuto wrote:
pmnox wrote:
I use the following format for production:
Front
English keyword + sometimes a hint if needed
Clozed deletion sentence
Picture
Sentence in english
Back
Picture again
Sentence in furigana with answer
Vocab word with reading
Audio
etc.
You can use mine core 10k deck. It has premade production cards: http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?p … 63#p207363
I think this is what I need. But doesn't people advise from going from English to japanese?
Yes, it's true that going from English to Japanese helps at higher level. However, it may be hard to make production cards without using English at all. It is probably waste of time if you are at N2 level or below. At least for me it's easier to memorize a Japanese word if I know it's English meaning.
Usually, I don't read the English sentence at all as I'm trying to use just the Clozed deletion sentence and English keyword. It's a good idea to think about the sentence in Japanese, English keyword is just supposed to be a sort of a hint.
I see two ways to make production deck one method is to have closed deletion sentence with English keyword, the other one is having closed deletion sentence with Japanese reading of the word. I guess the third way would be trying to guess the Japanese word from the context, but it may be hard to create such deck.
I'm planning to switch to Japanese recognition deck after I learn first 6000 or 10000 words. Some people say that it takes less time to do a recognition deck than the production deck. However, I want to be able to produce at least 6000 words as I was able to recognize lots of words from Core6k, but I was unable to recall them when trying to translate English sentence into Japanese.
If you want to do Japanese only deck I recommend Tanuki-Ultima deck : https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2883703655
Somehow, I don't feel like doing it just now as I would have to spend a lot of time with dictionary checking meaning of each entry.
Last edited by pmnox (2013 September 03, 2:00 pm)
Is your deck similar to Nukemarines core 6k deck? I'm pretty far into it, however I've been doing only recognition. Kanji in front, all the needed stuff in the back. It's true I'm not far into RTK, but hey Core still is very easy.
In all honesty I don't even know why I'm doing RTK if I can already study these words with ease, it's fun nevertheless so I guess i'll finish it. However! My ability to recognize some kanjis in other compounds are weak if I haven't studied it many times, with RTK it allowed me to recognize them sometimes I guess.
Oh and for fun, when I was at Japan I bought this Jouyou kanji book. It just has on yomi, kun yomi, stroke order, and some compounds with readings. This included all of the old 1945 jouyou kanji. I do about 8 a day, in order the kids in japan learn it. I know it's not that effective but it's really fun. I just memorize the stroke order and just the kun yomi. I like rote memorization, but RTK certainly is much better for memorizing the kanji. So I just do both. Than of course, I do Core, and my genki textbooks.
Last edited by Xanpakuto (2013 September 03, 3:38 pm)
There aren't too many often, so I guess it's fine.