yudantaiteki wrote:

Are you going to the party? (It doesn't matter what I do, but are YOU going?)
Are you coming to the party? (I AM going to the party, are you AS WELL?)

That's the way that it works in English, but I don't think it works like that in Japanese.

Ummm... that's exactly how it works? ^^;

Ask one of your Japanese friends if you need to check but I'm 100% sure you can say it. 明日学校来る？ for example

Last edited by Arupan (2013 March 01, 3:14 am)

Realism wrote:

Arupan wrote:

Ask one of your Japanese friends if you need to check but I'm 100% sure you can say it. 明日学校来る？ for example

Why do you have to check with your friends? All you have to do is go to google Japan and search that sentence and see the results that come up. There's your answer right there.

Google results should be taken with a grain of salt though -- not all results are from native speakers, and not all native speakers will write perfect Japanese.

"明日学校行く" -- 約 900,000 件
"明日学校来る" -- 約 73,700 件

The latter is far less common, but there's still enough to the point where it seems like it might not be wrong; maybe it offers a nuance which is just not used as often. But on the other hand, it could just be a common mistake. Here's a discussion on their usages. As one user says, 最近、おかしな日本語が町中にあふれていますから、混乱しますよね。

Last edited by headphone_child (2013 March 02, 1:17 pm)

headphone_child wrote:

Realism wrote:

Arupan wrote:

Ask one of your Japanese friends if you need to check but I'm 100% sure you can say it. 明日学校来る？ for example

Why do you have to check with your friends? All you have to do is go to google Japan and search that sentence and see the results that come up. There's your answer right there.

Google results should be taken with a grain of salt though -- not all results are from native speakers, and not all native speakers will write perfect Japanese.

"明日学校行く" -- 約 900,000 件
"明日学校来る" -- 約 73,700 件

Well...if you see it that way....then no native Japanese speaks perfect Japanese....so what's the point of asking his friends then? They probably don't speak perfect Japanese either....no one does.

Use google has saved me so much time, chances are that they are from native Japanese people, I'd rather just copy what they say

Last edited by Realism (2013 March 02, 8:03 pm)

Realism, I've never met a person who speaks his mother language perfectly. Have you? Anyway, since you seem to believe everything Google returns as a hit, try this:

”明日学校に行きますか”　約 770,000 件 （0.09 秒）
”明日学校に来ますか”　約 1,010,000 件 （0.08 秒）

Strange huh? When you search for something next time, try to add/delete particles, maybe write something in hiragana or katakana. I'm sure you'll be surprised at the results.

Now let's check in English just for the laughs:

"are you going to school tomorrow"　約 7,980,000 件 （0.15 秒）
"are you coming to school tomorrow"　約 46,200 件 （0.14 秒）

Are you sure you can say "coming to (somewhere)" in English? Sure doesn't seem like it.


thistime, this sort of Japanese is mainly used by the younger generation. Let's say 10~25 for example. Is your husband around that age?


Language is ever changing. Japanese women didn't use the ending particle ぞ (such as in 今日はいっぱい飲むぞ) in the past but it is very widely spread nowadays. Younger men use もん etc... Try learning contemporary Japanese. Not Google it.

Last edited by Arupan (2013 March 03, 3:33 am)

It just seems that there's no way to make a normal discussion/conversation here. I was told the above rule by a lecturer in linguistics who also happens to be a Japanese. My friends also use the expression all the time (without being at the specific place) so that confirms it. I was nice enough to point you there's an exception. I already explained that language changes and that the change usually starts with the younger generation. You can say and believe whatever you want - Google, your husband, etc... I don't care. That's it from me on the subject.

Do you actually speak Japanese? If you don't, when you start doing so, these kind of 'problems' become irrelevant, just to let you know, don't waste time on this.

Last edited by Marumaru (2013 March 03, 5:56 am)

Arupan wrote:

Now let's check in English just for the laughs:

"are you going to school tomorrow"　約 7,980,000 件 （0.15 秒）
"are you coming to school tomorrow"　約 46,200 件 （0.14 秒）

Are you sure you can say "coming to (somewhere)" in English? Sure doesn't seem like it.

That's odd. While growing up and attending various high schools; students, parents and teachers seemed to use these terms interchangeably, regardless of context. I'm honestly surprised to see such a difference in results.

Language can be funny like that, I guess.

Last edited by uisukii (2013 March 03, 9:26 am)

yudantaiteki wrote:

Marumaru wrote:

Do you actually speak Japanese? If you don't, when you start doing so, these kind of 'problems' become irrelevant, just to let you know, don't waste time on this.

Why do they become irrelevant?

Most language related "problems" go away with familiarity, because of the way languages come to be. They're more of a result of a bottom up process  than top down rules everyone is forced to follow (patterns become established because they're popular, they're not popular because they've been established).

Hence, the kind of "rules" that aren't obvious and would require dedicated effort tend to get ignored by the population, and replaced with rules that are obvious. So, with familiarity, these rules become obvious to newcomers as well.