Driving in Japan

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tashippy Member
From: New York Registered: 2011-06-18 Posts: 566

「...nor do I ever want to experience the horror of driving in Japan.」*

I've never driven in Japan. Is it really a horrifying experience to do so? I live in NYC and the driving is at least more aggressive here. I have biked in the streets (sorry, and sidewalks) of Tokyo, and that felt safer than biking here, although I constantly got lost in Tokyo.
Anyway, I think you need an International Driving Permit, でしょう? Anyone have an experience driving in a foreign country for the first time?


*From: http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?p … 81#p197381

Last edited by tashippy (2013 February 21, 10:15 pm)

Oniichan Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2009-02-02 Posts: 269

I've called both Nagoya (Car city) and Shanghai (Me city) home. JAPAN is unsafe to drive in? Please. smile

Riding a 50 year old Chinese bicycle in traffic in Huangpu District for the first time was both horrifying and exhilarating. OTOH, riding in Japan both on the sidewalk and in traffic (I know, I know... bikes ARE traffic) is, in a word, pleasant. In Japan at least, I never feel I need extra sets of eyes on the back and sides of my head.

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TheVinster Member
From: Illinois Registered: 2009-07-15 Posts: 985

What about motorcyclists? After I graduate and move to Japan, once I get settled I was planning on getting a motorcycle. I wonder how rare motorcycles are in a place like Osaka?

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tashippy Member
From: New York Registered: 2011-06-18 Posts: 566

i've been a passenger in Ireland and the roads running through the country are really narrow with foliage leaning into the road from both sides. it's pretty exciting unless you have to pay for repairs on the rental.
The kumbis in South Africa were an experience for me as well. I was in the back row once at the top of a really steep hill and the vehicle just barely chugged its way over the top of the hill. Along with that, if you think you are an obvious foreigner in Japan, go to rural South Africa where the kids point at you and say 'umlungu' (well if you are an umlungu/白人 that is).
this guy seems to drive a lot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzpXVvU4wXQ usually while talking, but this one is just music.

Tzadeck Member
From: Kinki Registered: 2009-02-21 Posts: 2484

Japan has more fatalities per mile than the US, but the US has more accidents per mile.  I'm guessing this is because there are more bikers and bicyclists in Japan.

But no, I drove everyday in Japan for about two years before I moved and it's not particularly bad; I have a Japanese drivers license too (I'm an American so it was a bitch to get), so I sometimes rent cars when I go places where trains are inconvenient (Yakushima, Okinawa, Northern Kyoto, Tottori, and a couple of others).

However, there are some very narrow roads, and there are some mountain roads that are pretty damn dangerous.  I've never driven in Tokyo or Osaka though, so I don't know so much about big city driving.  I know if you go into Kyoto from Gojo (coming from Kameoka or Sonobe) you get caught in a traffic jam for a couple of hours.

(Edit: Motocycles are popular in Osaka.  And any city, really.  Usually small ones.)

Last edited by Tzadeck (2013 February 21, 11:30 pm)

NightSky Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-04-13 Posts: 302

I've only driven in Japan once and that was driving a big van around Tokyo. It was actually completely fine, didn't feel dangerous at all. Now I'm in a smaller city in China and I wouldn't ever want to drive here ...

Oniichan Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2009-02-02 Posts: 269

TheVinster wrote:

What about motorcyclists? After I graduate and move to Japan, once I get settled I was planning on getting a motorcycle. I wonder how rare motorcycles are in a place like Osaka?

I don't want to scare you, but I've only witnessed 2 accidents in Japan; and both involved scooters.

The first one was the rider's fault as he thought he could squeeze between a curb and a VERY large truck once the traffic light turned green. He got pinched and his bike took a little damage to its right mirror. The truck driver never even noticed/stopped.

The second accident involved a rider plowing into the back of a small, boxy van (Aren't they all?). I think traffic came to a sudden stop and the van's driver reacted, but the rider didn't have time because he was following too close behind and probably couldn't see what was happening ahead anyway.

Thankfully, neither rider was hurt. I guess the lesson is: both accidents were preventable if the riders had been more alert and rode more defensively.

As for riding in Shanghai...

Last edited by Oniichan (2013 February 22, 12:23 am)

vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469

I hate HATE driving in Japan.

I could be biased since I never liked driving back in the US either and see driving as a chore that consumes time.

I have a lot of nit picks about driving in Japan and I love to bitch about it. Most of the problems with driving in Japan, in my opinion, arise from the fact that the country was not planned around driving being a core part of their society. They placed more focus on trains, walking, and biking. So, my problems.

1) Speed. I don't know what speed limits are in countries outside Japan or the US, so maybe its just the US is speed freaks. In Japan, doing anything by cars is SLOW and TIME-CONSUMING. You do not get anywhere fast in a car. The speed limit on normal roads in Japan ranges from 40KPH to 50KPH, for the metric challenged that's 25-30MPH. The highways (高速道路) are faster with a speed limit of 100KPH but they're faster for a reason, more lanes. In reality though, there are no speed limits on the highways. I've never seen cops on the highways.

2) No Passing. As I stated above, Japan wasn't planned around cars and so as a result no one sees any reason to add lanes to roads. If you are driving in the cities you probably have 2 lanes to work with but anything outside the cities is almost ALWAYS 1 lane traffic with a lot of winding roads. As a result, you can't ever pass the person that's literally driving 40KPH, and most of the time the road has "no pass" lines as well. Even if you didn't give a shit about such law, you probably still can't pass safely because its more likely the slow car is 4-5 cars ahead of you.

3) Road size. Tieing in with the points above. Roads are narrow in Japan. This is kind of common knowledge now, but you really can't appreciate how much of an annoyance this is until you have to drive on the roads with a car. If you come from the US, you are probably use to having somewhere between a 1/2 to 2/3 of a car length between you and the cars in the on coming lane. This is NOT the case in Japan on country roads. If you have 1/2 a car length, consider your self lucky. On many roads that I drive on you usually have 1/4 or less. You can reach out and touch cars as you go by if you wanted in many cases.

4) Pedestrians. Often times the thing that will slow you down the most is the fact that you have to slow down to be safe. As many know, roads are really really narrow in Japan which places side streets, parked cars, and the side of the street close to you. As a result you have to really drive cautious because people are stupid. Many people don't stop when coming out of side streets or exiting buildings and will sometimes step right into the street. People are STUPID. I've seen a biker riding on a side walk suddenly decide he wants to ride in the road with the cars and swerved out into the road with a car only 3-4 meters behind him. I watched the car swerve to avoid hitting him. Dude never bothered to check if there was a car or anything. People are STUPID.

5) Traffic lights. There are a lot of traffic lights which are not sensor tripped. Many change every 2-3 minutes. This helps to cut and spread traffic out though so you don't have a 3Km line of cars stuck behind 1 car, but it still comes pretty close.

6) Headlights. Only for use when its dark. Raining? Nope. Snowing? Nope. Foggy? Nope. And if people use anything during the day, its their dinky parking lights which don't increase visibility. This is a pet peeve of mine.

7) Old people. Japan has a large number of old people that drive and everyone knows what kind of problems that can cause. The only thing I like here in Japan is that old people have to put a sticker on their car when they turn 65(?). Gives you some idea. But you still have to worry about the depth perception problems that many of them have and everything...and then remember how much clearance you have between their car and yours often enough.

All of the above issues turn Japan into a country where driving is almost always an "Always-on" process compared to something that can be "auto-pilot" sometimes. If Google were to ever market their self-driving car. Japan should be the first country they do it in, because of safety issues with random things popping out, tracking other cars, and above all, the fact that driving is more time consuming than it should be; it'd make a splash here.

Just to give a concrete example of what I mean on time. One drive that I make sometimes is between my rural town and the prefecture capital. Its 54Km (33 miles) and takes anywhere between an 1h to 1h30m to drive; I could do that in 20-30 minutes in the US.

Japan is a SHIT country to drive in. The only benefit I've found to having a car is Costco.

Last edited by vix86 (2013 February 22, 12:48 am)

Oniichan Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2009-02-02 Posts: 269

Tzadeck wrote:

...But no, I drove everyday in Japan for about two years before I moved and it's not particularly bad; I have a Japanese drivers license too (I'm an American so it was a bitch to get)...

That's true. Tashippy, consider joining AAA and getting an international driver's license before you come. That may make it a little easier obtaining a license (for a car anyway).

@Tzadeck Obtaining one in Shanghai was comparatively easy up until about 2 weeks ago. I just needed my state-issued driver's license and a 'pass' on the written test. But, I think I understand why; the license plates cost well over $10,000 each!

UPDATE: This month's minimum price for a license plate was $13,350!!!

Last edited by Oniichan (2013 February 23, 7:26 pm)

Tzadeck Member
From: Kinki Registered: 2009-02-21 Posts: 2484

For an American to get a Japanese license they need to pass the road test in addition to the written test.  Most people fail the road test multiple times despite having had a license in their own country because the rules are really weird and strict (look it up--there's no shortage of people bitching about it online).  I passed on my third time, and probably spent over 30,000 yen total.

You can only use a permit for one year in Japan, and then you need to get a license.  However, if you're British or something it's much easier to get because you don't need to do the road test.

You don't need to join AAA to get the permit, btw, you just need to go to their offices.

thecite Member
From: Adelaide Registered: 2009-02-05 Posts: 781

Being an Australian, I can get a licence here merely by presenting my Australian licence and filling out the paperwork. However, the catch is that you need to live in the country for a minimum of three months after getting the licence. I'm on P2s at the moment, which is the third and final stage before getting your regular licence in Australia. All the hard work that goes into getting a licence is in the L (learner) and P1 stages. After you get your P2s, all you have to do is wait 6 months and then you can get your full licence. I was eligible for my full licence 6 months ago. However, since I'm here on a scholarship it's pretty much impossible for me to return home for three months, which I think means the only option I have is the traditional path of the road test, written test etc.
Anyone have any insight?

thistime Member
Registered: 2008-11-04 Posts: 223

I drive in Japan pretty much everyday and it is by far my preferred method of transportation. I live in the semi-sticks (though most roads here are at least two lanes so vix86 must be mega-sticks if he says all the roads where he lives are one lane) so I just find buses and trains to be a major inconvenience. I am American and I really don't experience any differences with driving here and in the states. Yes, the roads are more crowded but everything in Japan is more crowded.

I have driven in Tokyo a few times but mostly just driving to where we were going and then back out again so I've never really driven around in Tokyo nor would I ever want to yikes

ryuudou Member
Registered: 2009-03-05 Posts: 406

I think one of the best parts of Japan is exploring on foot, and taking the train everywhere.

Hashiriya Member
From: Georgia Registered: 2008-04-14 Posts: 1072

if there is a train nearby tongue None too close by when I go to my wife's parent's house in Chiba. Not everywhere has the convenience of Tokyo.

David_jp_23 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2013-01-27 Posts: 16

thecite wrote:

Anyone have any insight?

I would double check this but I think you're pretty screwed here. Japan only has two types of DL conversions:
1. walk in and without a road test exchange your DL (designated countries)
2. walk in and exchange DL after you pass the road test (every other country)

To be eligible for both you need to have your license for X amount of months in the issuing country. Without that experience you have to go through the whole Japanese process which includes a few weeks of really expensive driving school.

theasianpleaser Member
From: 神戸市 Registered: 2008-09-04 Posts: 231

A lot of people go to a different place in their head to deal with the pressures of working in Japanese society.  This is why people don't pay attention to what's going around them.  Maybe directly in front of them and at the last second they avoid walking into someone else. 

This also applies to driving and the poor soul who wants to turn onto the main road at a non-traffic light intersection will wait until for 10 minutes until I slow down to let them in.  Unfortunately, I have been rear ended 3 times because of my kindness.

thistime Member
Registered: 2008-11-04 Posts: 223

David_jp_23 wrote:

Without that experience you have to go through the whole Japanese process which includes a few weeks of really expensive driving school.

You don't have to go to driving school it's just that most people (i.e. 18 year old kids) will choose that because it's easier than trying to pass the next-to-impossible-to-pass driving test at the license center and mommy and daddy usually foot the bill so they don't care anything about how much it costs.

vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469

Yes, you can take the normal Japanese driver test without taking any expensive classes.

One thing I want to note however is that the Japanese driver test is longer than the license for Foreign driver. The foreign driver test has you drive around the course. The part you are most likely to screw up on is the crank turn.

The Japanese test has you drive around and do everything the foreign test does in addition to stuff like like backing into a parking space.

tashippy Member
From: New York Registered: 2011-06-18 Posts: 566

thistime wrote:

David_jp_23 wrote:

Without that experience you have to go through the whole Japanese process which includes a few weeks of really expensive driving school.

You don't have to go to driving school it's just that most people (i.e. 18 year old kids) will choose that because it's easier than trying to pass the next-to-impossible-to-pass driving test at the license center and mommy and daddy usually foot the bill so they don't care anything about how much it costs.

the driving school is in cahoots with the place you take the test, and they'll fail you unless you go buy some driving school. <---this was based on hearsay*

*Hearsay: /ˈhi(ə)rˌsā/ 1.Information received from other people that cannot be adequately substantiated; rumor.

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thistime Member
Registered: 2008-11-04 Posts: 223

Well, I thought that the reason that people went to the driving school was because they could by-pass the test at the license center that way. Plus, I am not aware of them asking you anywhere (on any of the forms or anything) what kind of training you've had. I can't imagine them caring about that. They just want to know if you can pass the test or not. But who knows, maybe there is some conspiracy out there.

vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469

thistime wrote:

Well, I thought that the reason that people went to the driving school was because they could by-pass the test at the license center that way. Plus, I am not aware of them asking you anywhere (on any of the forms or anything) what kind of training you've had. I can't imagine them caring about that. They just want to know if you can pass the test or not. But who knows, maybe there is some conspiracy out there.

You most definitely can not get a license without going to the license center.

The license center might ask you if you had any prior training, and they definitely ask you to describe your training and licensing back in your home country. Whether they ask when you are going the full Japanese course route, I don't know.

Its hard to say whether there's a conspiracy though. I know that foreigners can pass the foreign test without having to take any driving practice time (2-3 hours course practice). I was able to pass the test on my 2nd try. And I have heard of some people passing on their 1st go.

six8ten Member
Registered: 2011-02-26 Posts: 106

Probably a bit outdated now, but my thoughts on driving and getting a license in Japan back in 2006:

http://six-eight-ten.livejournal.com/812.html

vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469

The blog post is still relevant. Nothing has changed in that time. But your post was about converting a foreign license to Japanese and the recent posts have been concerning going the full route like a Japanese person would.

I would say that it helps to know the prefecture you are testing in. Some prefectures will be a lot more strict on passing foreigners either due to the number of accidents they cause in that prefecture or just being racist; who knows. But I have heard that some prefectures are easier than others. Its the same test everywhere, although some centers want to see some things while others, no. The test proctor is what changes though.

chochajin Member
From: Japan Registered: 2008-07-13 Posts: 520 Website

Couldn't agree more with vix86!

I've gotten used to driving in Japan as I do it every single day for work now and I admit that when visiting certain sightseeing spots a rental car is much better, but apart from that .... it can be ANNOYING!!!

I wrote a whole long blog post about my personal experience with "Driving in Japan", so you might want to check it out! wink

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