RTK 2 or RTK 3?

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Norman Member
From: Japan Registered: 2012-02-19 Posts: 146

I'm nearly finished with RTK 1. I'm trying to decide on which book to work on next. I know that Core Cards are a supplementary option, and I may certainly use them, but I want to stay on path with Heisig. I'm just more comfortable with the routine of it. I have read the backlog of postings on this matter, but there seems to be no conclusive answer. Well, should I go with RTK 2 or RTK 3? I'd like to hear some feedback, or even regrets, from those who gave either book a try. Thanks!

SomeCallMeChris Member
From: Massachusetts USA Registered: 2011-08-01 Posts: 787

I haven't done either, but, I can see the value in doing RTK3. I don't see the value in doing RTK2. I don't believe in the value of studying Kanji pronunciation separate from vocabulary at all. I didn't study kanji pronunciation with RTK2 but, I did memorize many ON and Kun readings with other books, and honestly - it was a waste of time that I heartily encourage you to avoid.

Savii Member
From: Netherlands Registered: 2012-08-13 Posts: 107

You definitely need to know more kanji than the RTK1 set, but RTK3 includes many kanji with little practical value. I think doing RTK3 right after RTK1 would be an inefficient investment of time and effort for most people. Currently I add RTK3 (and even non-RTK) kanji when I encounter them in the stuff I read and that works well. After you've progressed further into Japanese and feel like completing the whole set you can always still do so.

RTK2 can be useful (well, parts of it actually; the learning efficiently varies wildly per chapter), but it's not a priority. In my opinion it's pretty useless right after RTK1 (assuming little experience with vocab and grammar), but works well to learn and reinforce on'yomi readings after you've gotten a bit more familiar with Japanese and know a basic amount of common readings already. It's not for everyone though; just try it and see whether it works for you.

Heisig doesn't teach you Japanese, so I would strongly advise against doing either RTK2 or RTK3 as a primary study method after RTK1. They're fine as a complement, but they just don't have the same significance as RTK1, and as such don't deserve the same special "shove everything else aside" type of treatment.

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comeauch Member
From: Canada Registered: 2011-11-04 Posts: 175

I did RTK3 right after RTK1 and I'm glad I did... A couple of them pop up more often than I thought they would (especially if you're doing RTK1 using an older edition, which wouldn't include common kanjis like 頃 or 俺). I'd say, use your current momentum and push it a thousand more. You could start learning some words as well of course!

As for RTK2, I didn't do it and don't regret it lol. I mean, you get better and better with all the different readings anyway by just learning words...

Betelgeuzah Member
From: finland Registered: 2011-03-26 Posts: 464

RTK 3 is totally not worth it at this stage... Any new kanji you come across can be learned when you encounter it in Core.

You haven't even started to really learn Japanese and you're trying to postpone it even more? I don't think that's a good idea, bud.

Zgarbas Watchman
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2011-10-09 Posts: 1210 Website

I like the idea behind RTK2 but frankly you'll start figuring out common On readings after a while anyway. Once you see that 中、忠 and 沖  have the ちゅう reading, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that 仲 might also have it.
There are also enough exceptions that it's usually a rule of thumb rather than a 100% set rule. It would also stick much easier if you just figured out the general rules after encountering them yourself.

Whether or not you go through with RTK 3 is a matter of personal preference more than anything, but imho going straight to Japanese (maybe keeping RTK3 as a minor study source instead of the main focus of your studies) would be for the better.

overture2112 Member
From: New York Registered: 2010-05-16 Posts: 400

Betelgeuzah wrote:

RTK 3 is totally not worth it at this stage... Any new kanji you come across can be learned when you encounter it in Core.

Agreed. You'll run into kanji not covered in rtk1 but

1) it's rare (outside of names)
2) heisig taught you how to break down primitives and come up with your own stories (or you use this site) so you can learn a new one by yourself in a minute.
3) it's fun/interesting to discover one you didn't know before, like an unexpected present

so just learn them as you see them, which will not be often.

Norman Member
From: Japan Registered: 2012-02-19 Posts: 146

Thanks for the replies. It seems the consensus is that RTK 3 would be the better of the two, if I wanted to continue with the textbook format. Although I have been working on RTK 1 exclusively, I would like to share time between studying CORE CARDS and RTK 3. As mentioned, I am comfortably following a study routine with RTK at the center of things. I understand Betelgeuzah's concern that exclusively studying RTK isn't advisable when there are more mounting concerns, such as listening and speaking skills, and certainly being about to read kanji in Japanese.

I am also interested in the time that it would take to complete RTK 3. We have all seen the recent thread with people claiming to finish RTK 1 within 2 weeks, and although I am certainly not one of those who claims to have completed it in such a short time, I could see that a devoted effort could result in finishing RTK 1 within a few months or so. Considering the sheer number of kanji in RTK 1 (2200) and the smaller number in RTK 3 (800?), does it not seem possible that completing the book would take less than half the amount of time?

overture2112 Member
From: New York Registered: 2010-05-16 Posts: 400

Norman wrote:

Considering the sheer number of kanji in RTK 1 (2200) and the smaller number in RTK 3 (800?), does it not seem possible that completing the book would take less than half the amount of time?

I don't think I'd recommend delaying your studies further even if it was only 100 new kanji (ie. 1 day); your time is simply better spent elsewhere.

Now that said, _after_ you've started actually learning the language and have a good deal of grammar/vocab/sentences under your belt, if you're bored one day then go ahead and mix things up by doing rtk3 or whatever thrills you. Just don't be under the illusion that sacrificing your Japanese time for rtk3 time is going to help you in the long run even remotely as well as rtk1 did.

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