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erlog wrote:
One of the key examples of this is the gender relations in Japan. Sex is still seen as dirty and 恥ずかしい. So the 建前 is that no "worthwhile" woman should be interested in it. However, the men see themselves as being able to see through that 建前 to know what the woman "truly wants," and voila, it produces the vibrant rape culture you see today in Japan where it's considered the hottest thing ever for a woman to repeatedly say "No." during a sexual encounter.
Do you have any actual evidence that Japan's 'rape culture' is any more 'vibrant' than any other country's? Or any evidence that this attitude - that sex is dirty/embarrassing - is confined to Japan? Or, indeed, any evidence that the notion of distinguishing between personally held beliefs and socially/culturally acceptable norms (ie. honne/tatamae) is unique to Japan?
Hyperborea wrote:
Hyperborea wrote:
So, are you claiming that "everywhere" has a "rape culture"?
Zgarbas wrote:
Pretty much.
Sounds to me like a discriminatory misandrist attitude. I imagine that all sex is rape too, right?
Are you saying that taking a common event and acknowledging it as a common event is a form of discrimination because the majority of such events are done by a certain gender(since, you know, biology makes it easier, if nothing else), whilst at the same time implying that males cannot be raped?
Is it one of those "I like to be edgy by pretending that my painfully common belief is actually rare"? Because that's exactly the sort of extrapolation which is considered a main factor of rape culture...
@Taurus: The notion of distinguishing personally held beliefs from socially accepted norms is probably in all cultures, but few go as far with it as Japan, is what I think he was saying. I don't know if rape culture is more vibrant in Japan, but to be fair I have yet to see a Japanese porn where I didn't feel squicked by the rapey vibes. How people manage to fap to that baffles me.
Ontopic: Welp, my assignment help went down the drain really fast (笑), and it seems I accidentally started one of those threads...
Zgarbas wrote:
@Taurus: The notion of distinguishing personally held beliefs from socially accepted norms is probably in all cultures, but few go as far with it as Japan, is what I think he was saying.
Yeah, I just don't think this is true at all.
I don't know if rape culture is more vibrant in Japan, but to be fair I have yet to see a Japanese porn where I didn't feel squicked by the rapey vibes. How people manage to fap to that baffles me.
More rapey than Max Hardcore, or any of those other mainstream US/western porn stars?
I don't know, at least (with notable exceptions) the porn starts aren't always crying out "No no stop that it hurts" whilst crying . Once you get to hentai it gets all sorts of weird (blood, massacres, mass rapes, gangrapes, outright rapes, or what starts out as seemingly normal but then the girl's all no no stop that). Seriously messed up.
I think you're saying that Max Hardcore's oeuvre doesn't start with the porn stars crying -is that right? I have to say I can't say for sure because I haven't ever watched one of his videos from the start and nor do I want to. I have just seen (unfortunately) clips of his videos where he's punching women, or spitting in their faces or whatever. That is to say, I don't know whether the actresses in his movies start crying from the start of his movies, or just during them.
As for how weird Japanese porn is in general, I guess it all depends what kind of porn you are watching, doesn't it?
But rather than trading personal anecdotes about horrible porn, I think it would be more interesting to find out if there is any quantitative or qualitative research or evidence to suggest that these themes are more prevalent in Japanese porn than in porn created/consumed in other countries, and also whether there is any research or evidence to suggest that the prevalence of these themes (the lack or abundance thereof) has any sort of significant effect or even just correlation with Japan's 'vibrant rape culture'. I guess that could be a useful first step to testing the hypothesis that Japan has a vibrant rape culture because of a culturally specific distinction between personal thoughts/feelings and the public expression of those thoughts/feelings.
Last edited by Taurus (2013 January 15, 2:06 am)
There were already multiple articles posted on page 1 about how Japan, on a fundamental institutional level, does not take rape seriously. This is also not about comparing horrible pornography. The majority of Japanese pornography is rape or sexual assault fantasy. There was even evidence stated in one of the articles based on the top selling porn films in Japan being explicitly rape themed. Rape porn in most of the west is a fringe fetish. In Japan those titles have been among the top selling.
I, at no point, was arguing that Japan is alone in being regressive. I was arguing that Japan, when compared to most of the west, has markedly more regressive views on the subject and a unique unhealthy preoccupation with it.
Back on the topic of 建前 versus 本音. I posted other, less controversial, evidence based on the Japanese legal system and conflict resolution in Japan. These concepts certainly exist in other cultures, but not the same way and not to the same extent. In other cultures there being another layer like that is something that sometimes happens. In Japan it happens in the majority of interactions, and it is purposeful. Everyone is expected to be able to "decode" the 本音 from the 建前. Everyone is expected to maintain the veneer of 建前 in interactions. This leads to the common problems that foreigners have in Japan when they're unable to understand what is being asked of them because it's wrapped in 建前. Even things as simple as the stereotypical Japanese modesty that everyone here should already be familiar with derives directly from 建前.
This leads to foreigners commonly describing Japanese people as being "passive aggressive" or, the much more stereotypical, "inscrutable." Japanese people will tell you this themselves, and if you have Japanese friends you should note how their personalities change between when they speak English and when they speak Japanese. Their English personalities tend to be far more direct, and I've had it described to me on a handful of occasions by Japanese people that they have an easier time expressing their true personality with foreigners in English. They cite having to constantly create that 建前 as a specific burden.
I'm not going to post anymore on either of these subjects in this thread. I've said my piece, and I've linked articles to support my points. I don't really feel the need to argue about it. I feel like I've done my part in trying to educate people, and if you feel like you need further information then there's more than enough of it on the internet or in various books about Japanese culture.
Last edited by erlog (2013 January 15, 2:38 am)
Since we're on the subject of porn, I just had a moment of clarity. I would like to relate it to honne and tatemae, the topic of this thread.
Let's start with attitude to illiterate foreigners by Japan and America.
As noted many times here and elsewhere, Japanese people will tatamae say to a foreigner "your Japanese is good!" when in reality, they honne think "you dirty white devil".
In America, they will simply say "your English sucks Mr Ching Chong!" without regard to tatemae and honne.
In Japanese porn, Japan disregards honne and tatemae: the porn stars simulate rape and enjoy it with the females lightly resisting the male and saying "no stop!"
However, it could be argued that when it comes to sex and porn, America engages in honne and tatemae. Their tatemae front is shown in American porn: the women overcompensates by being overly aggressive by shouting "**** me! **** me harder and faster!"
But what is the honne, the true private attitude? This is displayed in the sex crime rates and crime rates in general which are higher in America than in any other developed country including Japan (unless you're a statistics sceptic of course).
A prime example is the popular local High School football team where they can participate in gang rape (and enjoy it) and all echelons of society cover it up: http://localleaks.blogs.ru/2013/01/01/s … illefiles/
qwertyytrewq wrote:
(unless you're a statistics sceptic of course).
True, and why would one be? It's not like there has been any proof whatsoever as to make the claim that the statistics concerning Japan on the topic are fundamentally inaccurate or anything.
Last edited by Betelgeuzah (2013 January 15, 3:26 am)
erlog wrote:
There were already multiple articles posted on page 1 about how Japan, on a fundamental institutional level, does not take rape seriously.
And yet none of them show that Japan takes rape any less seriously than any other country - there are problems with the reporting of rape in many countries, and many countries have porn industries that produce rape-themed porn. So I don't think any of the articles posted on page 1 support your assertion that Japan has a vibrant rape culture. And I think it is incumbent upon you to demonstrate the existence of this vibrant rape culture before you use it as an example of honne/tatamae.
This is also not about comparing horrible pornography. The majority of Japanese pornography is rape or sexual assault fantasy. There was even evidence stated in one of the articles based on the top selling porn films in Japan being explicitly rape themed. Rape porn in most of the west is a fringe fetish. In Japan those titles have been among the top selling.
The majority? Your link actually says a fifth. It doesn't say anything about whether any of the top selling porn films outside of Japan are rape-themed, or how the sale of films compares to rentals, or downloads, or downloads of clips (as opposed to full movies). So I don't think it provides any sort of adequate basis to form a judgement about whether rape porn is a fringe fetish or not either in Japan or in the west, or what conclusions might be drawn from that.
I, at no point, was arguing that Japan is alone in being regressive. I was arguing that Japan, when compared to most of the west, has markedly more regressive views on the subject and a unique unhealthy preoccupation with it.
And then, as far as I understood your argument, you were suggesting that Japan's uniquely unhealthy preoccupation demonstrates the culturally specific phenomenon of honne/tatemae. But I don't think you have demonstrated your argument that 'Japan' (whatever that means - the government? the sex industry? my mother-in-law?) has markedly more regressive views than other countries; and for that reason I think you have singularly failed to demonstrate the existence of honne/tatemae in any sort of culturally specific manifestation.
Back on the topic of 建前 versus 本音. I posted other, less controversial, evidence based on the Japanese legal system and conflict resolution in Japan.
Again, I don't think your links supported the points you think they did.
In Japan it happens in the majority of interactions, and it is purposeful. Everyone is expected to be able to "decode" the 本音 from the 建前.
I don't think you have demonstrated this at all.
This leads to foreigners commonly describing Japanese people as being "passive aggressive" or, the much more stereotypical, "inscrutable."
I think inscrutable is generally agreed to be actually racist, rather than merely stereotypical.
I'm not going to post anymore on either of these subjects in this thread. I've said my piece, and I've linked articles to support my points. I don't really feel the need to argue about it. I feel like I've done my part in trying to educate people, and if you feel like you need further information then there's more than enough of it on the internet or in various books about Japanese culture.
I guess I have also said my piece, and pointed out that your linked articles do not support your points. I do feel a slight need to argue about it, though, because I don't think it is helpful to peddle this sort of borderline racist nonsense that Japan has a vibrant rape culture, or that 'Foreign men in Japan are seen as rapist barbarians' (again, by who? By the police? by their employers? by their wives and families? or just by other foreigners with a predilection for nihonjinron?).
Hyperborea wrote:
yudantaiteki wrote:
dizmox wrote:
If Japan is a "rape culture" then everywhere could be construed to be.
Yes, you have it right. It's certainly not confined to Japan.
So, are you claiming that "everywhere" has a "rape culture"?
Most places, yes. If there is a place in the world that has no rape culture, I'm not aware of it. It's very widespread. Since I am male I don't consider this a "misandrist" position. Elements of rape culture (such as those surrounding prison rape and child molestation) affect males as well.
Certainly some descriptions and applications of rape culture go too far, but the basic idea is hard to deny once you really look at it and understand what the term means and what goes into the idea.
Wikipedia has a simple definition at the top of the article:
Rape culture is a concept used to describe a culture in which rape and sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media normalize, excuse, tolerate, or even condone rape.
To me, both America and Japan match that.
And no, all sex is not rape. This has nothing to do with rape culture.
(I'm also not sure it's necessarily true that Japan is worse than other countries, but I don't know if erlog was claiming that either.)
Last edited by yudantaiteki (2013 January 15, 4:37 am)
Betelgeuzah wrote:
qwertyytrewq wrote:
(unless you're a statistics sceptic of course).
True, and why would one be? It's not like there has been any proof whatsoever as to make the claim that the statistics concerning Japan on the topic are fundamentally inaccurate or anything.
Sure, but the argument I was making was that it could easily be said that statistics concerning the same thing in other countries are fundamentally inaccurate so we're back to square one.
It's like how America says that China is a dictatorship with bad censorship and the monopoly state-owned Chinese media lies all the time while Chinese people make the counter-argument that since Chinese media is a state-owned monopoly, Chinese people know they (the media) are lying while Americans believe that since they (America) are a democracy with competition in the media sector, they are under the false notion that mainstream media speaks the truth. After all, none are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free (America) while China is the opposite: they're not free but they know it.
There is a great difference between all societies are rape cultures (re: rape is a common occurence and is most often not punished, with victim blaming being more common than rapist convinction) and "all sex is rape" which is just a ridiculous overstatement to I have no idea what you were implying.
People don't blame the people whose cars got stolen for having their cars stolen. Also, I'm fairly sure everyone who has their car stolen reports that to the police, whereas very few rape victims speak to others about it, which affects the car theft/rape ratio. You get all sort of warnings about how to not forget to lock your car, but not so much about rape (which is why many people aren't even aware that what they went through is rape...though the trauma is still there sometimes). If you see someone trying to break into your car and do something about it, people will congratulate you; whereas if you do something about someone trying to rape you (unless it's a stranger in the dark alley, maybe) there is a high chance you will be insulted or judged. There have been cases of rape victims being told to shut up and bear with their trauma and coexist with their rapists; would this have been the case had they been victims of car theft? Would car theft victims be told off that the car theft happened because they have a nice car, and in the future should avoid having a nice car? Would anyone show empathy to a car robber in court, because the poor thing has to go to jail?
That is why "rape culture" is a thing whereas "grand theft auto" culture is not.
People also don't spend time play acting out the roles of auto theft robber and victim, and said play acting isn't providing a good cover for actual theft.
i don't want to get involved in this thread, but i just want to point out that the type of "criticism" that's going on is nothing more than a type of misdirection that is constantly used to trivialise a serious and pervasive problem. Rather than engage with the real issues involved (perhaps because they are pretty undeniable), you turn it into an argument about whether Japan or America or whoever, India? are worse. Or you question the use of a term. Or you accuse others of taking extreme positions they never took. And so on. All of which only serves the purpose of allowing you to not have to genuinely confront the way the cultural and gender roles you participate in every day affect others (and yourselves). It's not on really.
but hey, let's just laugh at those silly feminists, i mean, they think they have a right not to be raped or something HAHAHAH
Last edited by IceCream (2013 January 16, 4:46 am)
I just don't see the misandry in anything I've said. All men are not rapists. All sex is not rape. But I just can't deny that the US, Japan, and all other cultures I am aware of, have strong elements in the culture that encourage, excuse, tolerate, and minimize rape.
Just in my own upbringing as a male, I can affirm this. There was constant reinforcement from peers, the media, and culture in general that as a male, I was expected to seek out sex, to lose my virginity as soon as possible, and to see sexual conquest as a mark of manhood. If I am a real man, women want to have sex with me. If I am a real man, I can make women want to have sex with me. And the authority figures (such as teachers and parents) did little or nothing to counter this view, and in some cases even encouraged it themselves. This is part of rape culture because it encourages males to view sex in terms of power and status rather than as a consensual act between people -- and this only scratches the surface. Am I a rapist? No. But that doesn't mean the rape culture didn't exist at all, and it doesn't mean that it didn't affect me at all.
"All men are rapists" and "All sex is rape" are straw men. The former originally appeared in the mouth of a fictional character in a novel. It has been used by some feminists in a metaphorical sense but is not particularly widespread. The latter is attributed to Andrea Dworkin but she never actually said this; it's a characterization of her views which she has specifically denied (and even if it is accurate, Dworkin is not necessarily representative of all feminism.)
Last edited by yudantaiteki (2013 January 16, 5:31 am)
For what it's worth, I'm happy to call all countries rape cultures and not only one specific country (EG. Japan).
Actually, this is the first time I hear the phrase "Rape culture" or even hear about what it refers to. For all my life, rape was and is still rape! So thankfully no "rape culture" here.
Nothing to fantasize about. I believe rape cases are under-reported here too because of the very negative social stigma. And the government made some unreasonable laws regarding the issue, one of which actually acts against the victim just to save her from this stupid social stigma.
Given how rape culture is a term used in feminist theory which only recently has gotten some mainstream attention I'm not surprised that it wouldn't be exactly a household name.
Zgarbas wrote:
Given how rape culture is a term used in feminist theory which only recently has gotten some mainstream attention I'm not surprised that it wouldn't be exactly a household name.
So erlog is a feminist with a "chip on the shoulder" after all? By the way, not my words, someone else in the thread said it.
If we're going to conclude that Japan is or has a rape culture, then I'd prefer that to be accepted truth in all areas of academia, not just the feminist branch.
The KKK research team might conclude that the holocaust didn't exist, but I'll take their findings with a grain of salt.
Zgarbas wrote:
Do you think it actually plays a role in the increasing number of NEETs and outcasts these days?
I'd say honne and tatemae might have a little to do with the existence of NEETs.
According to wikipedia, NEETs are often a result of a self-realization that watching anime from the comfort of ones home is preferable to working a job they hate, with fellow workers they hate, for a boss they hate, in order to earn money to buy things they dont need to impress people they hate. I suppose honne and tatemae may apply here.
This is a growing worldwide trend not unique to Japan.
Last edited by qwertyytrewq (2013 January 16, 1:58 pm)
err...
Just because input hypothesis is a term used in psycholinguistics doesn't mean it is not the accepted truth in all areas of academia =/. It just belongs in that certain branch. Though I don't mean to diss male rape victims*, the majority of rapes are done towards females, and most aspects of rape culture are aimed at females only, or are done to a greater extent or have more obvious side-effects(slut shaming, arguments such as "she was wearing this and that", depending on the victim's circumstances having to go through with a pregnancy, depending on the victim's habitat she may be considered damaged goods and unable to marry/is kicked out of the family/is publicly flogged to death, and many many others). For these reasons rape culture showed up in feminist theory, since it is for the most part something that affects women =/.
*who are sadly ignored for the most part. Pretending it doesn't exist is also part of rape culture, though, and goes for females as well.
Also, rape culture is a term used to describe a social phenomenon(for lack of a better term. Social state? Society values?), not really something pertaining to the academia.
Also, It makes me sad when people don't understand that feminism is about equality, and not female supremacy. Comparing feminists to the KKK makes me even sadder 
. Actually, this whole thread kind of makes me sad =/.
@qwerty: Is this more of this?
qwertyytrewq wrote:
In truth, I finished my Anki reviews for today and rewarding myself by letting off steam by forum posting in a contrarian style on controversial topics, and watching the results.
I'm probably not alone in hoping that you will try to rein in this habit of yours. It only wastes time, triggers arguments for no purpose (other than your entertainment), makes you look like an idiot, and happens to be explicitly prohibited on this forum.
Why not just try to have a normal discussion? A few things you might want to consider:
- Ditch all the pseudo deductive reasoning. It's as cringe inducing as punch lines nobody laughs at. Besides, even if they worked, social reality doesn't fit into tidy little absolutes and pure logical analyses.
- Reducing everything to absurd dichotomies, all-or-things, and silly stereotypes reduces the quality of any discussion.
- Repeated 'provocation for provocation's sake' gets old really fast. I doubt it impresses many people. Folks are more likely to roll their eyes and make a point of skipping your comments.
- Smugness tends to turn people off. Smugness coupled with ignorance and inane comments will give some people the guilty pleasure of watching arrogance make a fool of itself.
You might get lucky and find someone with Ice Cream's patience, generosity and smarts to indulge your narcissistic need to troll. Perhaps we ought to tolerate your immaturity bc you are young? Or tolerate your ignorance bc you're at least attempting to think through some big questions?
Maybe, but I can't help but feel that if people respond to your posts, try to explain why your arguments are so flawed, or try to engage you in any kind of meaningful discussion, you'd just be laughing at them for taking your bait. Isn't that what you are saying?
[edit: Apologies for being so blunt, but this really isn't a singular incident, it's habitual.]
Last edited by Thora (2013 January 16, 5:57 pm)
Zgarbas wrote:
*who are sadly ignored for the most part. Pretending it doesn't exist is also part of rape culture, though, and goes for females as well.
Men who are raped have a lot of the rape culture problems too, but it's not perceived to be as much of a problem because men are the dominant power in society and they aren't raped at the same rate as women. Feminists are often afraid to take on the problem because they (perhaps correctly) believe that if they try to focus on both men and women, the male problems will eclipse the female problems.
The small number of men who are raped by women are disbelieved and rejected; I remember one person telling me that it was impossible for a man to be raped because if the man gets an erection, it can't be rape. This is wrong in so many ways that it's not even worth dissecting.
Most rape that men encounter is prison rape or child molestation. Prison rape is often excused or encouraged as an extra-judicial punishment, jokes are made about it, and there's a perception that if you are raped in prison it's because you're gay or too weak to stand up for yourself. Boys who are molested are often disbelieved by authority figures, or told that they encouraged the adult.
undead_saif:
I believe rape cases are under-reported here too because of the very negative social stigma.
This social stigma is part of rape culture.
Last edited by yudantaiteki (2013 January 16, 7:36 pm)
Man, last time I checked feminists were happy when the US changed the definition of rape in its legislation and many brought up the topic of male rape as not being there. And all those times when male rape victims made it in the news almost all comments stating stuff like "men can't get raped" were males. Clearly they were crazy women feminists undercover. Because that's what feminism is about, clearly, cause it has "fem" in the name. men can't be misandrists because they're men!
And clearly, male vs female rape victims are of equal comparison to child abuse vs female rape victims. Not like child abuse brings about an entirely different aspect into discussion (as child abuse is, thankfully, acknowledged and properly punished...I'd like to see an attorney telling a 5-year-old that he/she was asking for it). Ignoring the fact that when 13-year-old girls get raped she is already succumbed to the area of female rape victim shaming...
Though I heavily frown upon the people who use the term "feminism" as a cover for their own crazy beliefs, I love it how all the other feminists get completely ignored because "hey there's this one crazy chick calling herself a feminist! we see her as a comic character on TV all the time! isn't it funny!", silly women thinking they can bring up the topic of equal rights...
I'm out since this is pointless.
Is this against me? I'm not sure what you're arguing about since I've been supportive of the idea of rape culture in this whole topic. I think that feminists are probably right to focus on the issue of rape of women since it's a bigger problem. And I can understand their frustration when they try to get men to accept the existence of the problem and are just told over and over "What about the menz!?!?"
My comment about feminists often ignoring men was not meant as a criticism or insult of feminists. I'm tired of seeing the accusation that feminist X is "misandrist" because she's only talking about women being raped and not men. I was trying to explain why some of them may want to stay away from the issue of rape of males.
Zgarbas wrote:
And clearly, male vs female rape victims are of equal comparison to child abuse vs female rape victims. Not like child abuse brings about an entirely different aspect into discussion (as child abuse is, thankfully, acknowledged and properly punished...I'd like to see an attorney telling a 5-year-old that he/she was asking for it).
People who suffer child abuse at the hands of authority figures are often told that they're lying because Uncle X or Coach Y is an upstanding guy who would never do that kind of thing. If it gets as far as the legal process that may not happen as much. You may like to think that an 11-year old boy would not be told that he seduced the adult or wanted the rape, but if you read stories of abuse victims, you can see that it happens.
Often it's the abuser who convinces the kid this is the case. From what I've seen, abusers who are unwilling or unable to believe they are abusers fall back on one of two positions -- (1) "It wasn't abuse, it was a mutual relationship", or (2) "I was seduced."
Ask the victims of abuse in the Catholic church whether they feel their abuse has been acknowledged and properly punished.
As I said, it's a different issue in many ways. The rape that men suffer, for the most part, is different from the rape that women suffer (although prison rape and child abuse are big problems for women as well, of course.)
Last edited by yudantaiteki (2013 January 16, 8:11 pm)
yudantaiteki wrote:
I just don't see the misandry in anything I've said. All men are not rapists. All sex is not rape. But I just can't deny that the US, Japan, and all other cultures I am aware of, have strong elements in the culture that encourage, excuse, tolerate, and minimize rape.
Just in my own upbringing as a male, I can affirm this. There was constant reinforcement from peers, the media, and culture in general that as a male, I was expected to seek out sex, to lose my virginity as soon as possible, and to see sexual conquest as a mark of manhood. If I am a real man, women want to have sex with me. If I am a real man, I can make women want to have sex with me. And the authority figures (such as teachers and parents) did little or nothing to counter this view, and in some cases even encouraged it themselves. This is part of rape culture because it encourages males to view sex in terms of power and status rather than as a consensual act between people -- and this only scratches the surface. Am I a rapist? No. But that doesn't mean the rape culture didn't exist at all, and it doesn't mean that it didn't affect me at all.
And in my case, the situation has been nothing like that at all. All I remember from growing up about the subject is "rape is bad" and now I live in a country where one's life can be destroyed on hearsay evidence of touching a girl in the wrong place. Other guys in school seemed to be interested in sex but so did the girls, and no one openly expressed interest in assaulting anyone. I don't remember being pressured by other males and I never met anyone who talked about sex in terms of power and status. Maybe I've lead a utopian, sheltered life surrounded by saints, but none of this kind of philosophy fits in with my domain of experiences, to the point that when I read this kind of passage, I can't help but feel it paints an overly negative picture to fit into some preconceived ideology. Certainly I wouldn't say I've lived in a "rape culture". Maybe others have, but that's for them to decide personally, without forcing their world view onto everyone else. /devil's advocate
Recently I had a similar experience meeting someone from England who described the country as a "racist culture" from which they were glad to get away from (a view which was totally alien to me, despite me being from the same country). I guess everywhere is full of microcosms.
Last edited by dizmox (2013 January 17, 3:28 am)
dizmox wrote:
but that's for them to decide personally, without forcing their world view onto everyone else.
This isn't favorite ice cream flavor. 1 in 6 women are victims of sexual assault, so something's wrong. I haven't seen a better explanation than rape culture.