I'm really curious if anyone has finished SS and what their results are. I have seen a few people doing it, but they sort of disappeared after a while never to be heard from again. Most of the blogs I have seen are long dead, and the few people that are still seemingly alive and using Twitter daily, appear to have moved on, changed their profile to remove any mention of Japanese and never tweet about Japanese related topics anymore. 

Nothing against AJATT, I'm genuinely curious if anyone became "fluent" from it.

i wonder if maybe Khatz threatens to kick his silverspooners out if they talk about silverspoon...

Or maybe they just got negative comments and decided to stop blogging about it?

delta wrote:

AJATT's Neutrino? Really?

Anyone who has learned any language to a decent level of proficiency knows that deep down it's all about vocabulary. After you have gotten + or - used to the grammar it's all about words.

Yes, but it's also about idiomatic expressions. And about learning to use the right collocations (requires lots of experience and takes a long time...can't be learnt in a year and a half). And not to forget the cultural references that need to be understood (usually underestimated). 

And that doesn't take particular genius, just time.

Yes, and lots of it. But it all boils down to what Katzumoto himself defines as fluent and he already has defined it.

Tzadeck wrote:

Has anyone tried e-mailing any of the bloggers?  If they just got lazy with their blogging they would probably be willing to give you a quick update by e-mail.

No, it just struck me that several Silverspoon bloggers gave up blogging and somehow seem to have disappeared from the net (out of curiousity I followed some of them, didn't contact any of them, though). This is strange, isn't it. But maybe it has no specific reason, don't wanna make a fuss over nuthin

PS: SORRY didn't intend to start a discussion about "how to learn a language" again... sorry, we already have plenty of that in the forum

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If I were doing Silver Spoon and become comfortable enough with Japanese, I would probably disappear into the Japanese speaking side of the internet and end up spending most or all of my time there, leaving little to no contemporary evidence of my English speaking  online presence. Has anyone tried to find them or similar user names on 2ch. or other popular Japanese forums?

Maybe that's why some of them are hard to find? Who knows. Maybe they are being held hostage somewhere in a bunker for attempting to release vital information about the actual goings-on deep within the heart of Neutrino... or maybe they just stopped blogging about it and spend more of their time within the Silver Spoon forums

Stian wrote:

Isn't 2ch completely anonymous?

You're probably right. Was comparing with 4chan; the ability to use secure and non-secure tripcodes for temporary pseudonymous posting. I've little experience as to the posting features on 2ch.

uisukii wrote:

Stian wrote:

Isn't 2ch completely anonymous?

You're probably right. Was comparing with 4chan; the ability to use secure and non-secure tripcodes for temporary pseudonymous posting. I've little experience as to the posting features on 2ch.

You are probably mixing 双葉ちゃんねる (2chan) and ２ちゃんねる (2ch). The former is just like 4chan and the latter is slightly different. You can use "nicknames" on both, but I've heard that it's kind of a noobish thing to do.

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Zgarbas wrote:

Back in my day, before 50+% of the country was permabanned on 4chan, 4chan used to be anonymous as well o.O. Did that change? Are btards proud of what they're doing now?

It's changed a fair bit since the Captcha (however it is spelled) system was introduced, a few years go. There is a large tendency for "newfags" to become "tripfags" more or less right off the bat. It's been a while since I've been on the boards, thought I doubt much has changed.

/b/, in whatever iteration it is currently, is probably proud of anything they do which alters anything, in any minute capacity, which catches the attention of anyone else- anyone at all. Teenagers are attention whores, and due to websites such as Reddit becoming more popular with the Facebook generation; memes and meme-centric websites are popping up like never before, recycling the years old jokes under the false impression that they are original.

So, long story short: 4chan isn't really anonymous in anywhere the same capacity it was; the memes, jokes and constant nostalgic "old days" references are becoming more and more recent; the userbase is expanding and getting younger, etc. etc.

A pretty boring place now if you ever used the site a few years ago. A little more organized, but a lot of the cross-board banter is becoming streamlined and dull.

yowamushi wrote:

(your Japanese is "legendary" when you can pass the Japanese bar exam, but only "master" when you become a comedian or a freestyle rapper or a novelist or a spy).

That makes sense to me, if the "Japanese bar exam" refers to the "bar exam" they use over in the US, as a test you have to pass to become a lawyer (not an American, only going off what I've seen in movies and TV). A lawyer needs a cognitive skillset which focuses on language, but not in a creative manner which a comedian, freestyle rapper or novelist utilizes. From a language point of view, those three roles are superior to a lawyer in terms of creative vernacular, syntax and grammatical manipulation.


The "spy" reference was probably thrown in for comic relief. Everyone knows the most important aspects of spying are a having a handsome face, attractive physique; cool gadgets, easy yet gorgeous women; and slow-motion jumping from exploding vehicles.

http://www.samuraimindonline.com/

This guy is almost done with silverspoon, although it doesn't seem like he's anywhere near fluent.

I don't trust much of the explanations of the Level Up blogger that talks about "Level 80+" because he describes himself as in the 70's.

And his introduction of J-J only after 1000 anki sentences is akin to cruel and unusual punishment. :p
Also, he doesn't have any language experience before Japanese so some of his linguistic stuff is bogus...

Last edited by Stian (2012 December 10, 2:14 pm)

Was never a fan of reading that much about studying, but I really liked his Japanese RTK deck, for the record. I also downloaded his anki sentence deck, but it was pretty weird. Didn't pursue it, but I think the only reason the J-J worked was because it was really low-level.