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jordan3311 Member
From: ohio Registered: 2010-08-09 Posts: 201

I want to start reading Japanese material(manga, gaming articles,etc). I have gotten bored with just getting sentences from text books. To tell you the truth I am afraid to move on even though I have finished genki 1 and other various books. I want to try and read gaming,anime,music,drama articles those are my interests. Any advice on this? Also can you share some sites that you get reading practice from.

Kewickviper Member
Registered: 2009-07-15 Posts: 143

Moving on from textbooks is a very difficult step. I would recommend trying to read children's story books first. You may find them just as boring, but at least it may be something you can read.

You can attempt some manga if you're feeling adventurous, but be warned at the genki1 level it's quite likely that depending on the manga you'll be looking up words every sentence and even then the majority of the grammar may be nightmarish. I use http://honto.jp/netstore.html to order all my manga if you're feeling up to it. A nice "easy" manga that I have been reading through is "yotsubato". I tried this when I was at your level and found it almost impossible to understand even with word lookups, but maybe you will have more luck. The genius behind using yotsubato to learn Japanese is that the main character is a small child and there is a lot that she doesn't understand, so you get the added benefit of having any difficult words explained in natural Japanese.

Overall don't despair if you find it super difficult. It's a massive step going from textbooks to "real" Japanese as nothing is laid out nicely in sections. Therefore maybe it is worth just giving it a shot earlier rather than later to perhaps save you from boredom and give you something to aim for.

gombost Member
Registered: 2010-10-26 Posts: 69

This is a difficult move. Try something easy first. I started with this site. It has a lot of children's stories with audio. The stories mostly use basic words (except a few Japanese objects, folk tale characters etc.) and they're rather easy to understand. In my opinion if you barely can understand these with Rikaichan then you're not ready yet.

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uisukii Guest

Follow your interests. If you enjoy manga then you're really in for a treat, because, generally speaking, a lot of the genres share a common sense of diction, so once you can read one you'll end up encountering a pretty similar vocabulary, or at least similar contexts to help provide meaning.

There is one website I am on at the very moment with a lot of Japanese manga, in Japanese, but I'm not sure of the forums rules on linking to adult content. Either way, the more you are interest in something the more you will generally focus on trying to understand it without getting bored as more or frustrated and walking away.

Textbooks are boring and all but if you enjoy a certain style of narrative or imagery, or theme, in your reading, then you will subconsciously put more effort into trying to follow the story. Humans are curious creatures; follow your curiosity. Trees are difficult to climb, but kids love to try reaching the top. Sometimes you've got to let go of your pride and think like a kid if you want to reach the top and enjoy the view.


Why do kids do this? Because they want to something new and exciting to them. Be damned what anyone else thinks. A book is like a tree: anyone can make fun of you for getting lost within its gnarled branches, but they'll never understand what it's like to look out into the new world it presents from all the way down below.

vix86 Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2010-01-19 Posts: 1469

Kewickviper wrote:

Moving on from textbooks is a very difficult step. I would recommend trying to read children's story books first. You may find them just as boring, but at least it may be something you can read.

I don't recommend this. Most children's books are full of hiragana and ぎたいご/Onomatopoeia words which Japanese children will know but most Japanese learners won't have a clue about.  Additionally, unless you enjoy reading kid's books, they can be really boring for an adult. There are plenty of manga out there that are 100% furigana and have easy grammar which are more interesting.

Manga is a better course of action IMO.

jordan3311 Member
From: ohio Registered: 2010-08-09 Posts: 201

I some what agree with @vix86 I have tried the children's books and they can get boring fast. I was thinking of looking at some gaming websites like famitsu and kotaku. But I think that my be a little to advance.

yudantaiteki Member
Registered: 2009-10-03 Posts: 3619

Give it a try.  See how far you can get and ask questions here if you get stuck.  I play a lot of Japanese games and read sites from time to time so I may be able to help you with some of the genre-specific words.  Even if you can't make it through an article, at least you tried and you have something to work towards.

Aikynaro Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2012-07-26 Posts: 266

Look for manga about ordinary life and avoid fantasy/supernatural/science fiction stuff. Even if they're aimed at an older age group, stories about school drama are much easier to understand than stories about fighting evil or whatever.

jordan3311 Member
From: ohio Registered: 2010-08-09 Posts: 201

One of the main reasons that I started this post is I am trying to bring my Japanese back to life. I feel that the materials that I have are getting old and stale. I am trying to find something that interest me and is not too difficult. I have tried reading real articles before and it has not ended well. That why I can here to see what other peoples experience where like and how did they over come this mountain.

DarkAngelMoon Member
From: Canada Registered: 2010-08-31 Posts: 16

Honestly speaking you have to try a lot of different things before you get comfortable with reading. For me, I tried a lot of various materials I first started reading super short article from Hiragana times, I still remember the time when it would take me 10mins just to read 2 or 3 sentences lol ahh good times good times. I also read a Japanese diary of a traveler I believe it was called Rosa's blog meant for Japanese learners, the writing was really simple and interesting plus beside kanji there were hiragana if you wanted to confirm the reading. I was reading these for at least 8 months on and off. From there i moved on to manga's i liked, I think instead of reading things you don't have much interest in you should really go for stuff you have a lot of interest in so you would actually wanna understand it even more no matter how difficult it may be at times. The first manga i read was highschool debut lol a typical shoujo manga that i really liked with the help of a dictionary i read the entire 13 volumes, of course it helped that I had already read the manga in English. Even now i read it again once in a while cause i love it so much ^^, from there I went through a period of reading various manga's, articles, and children stories for 5 months or so even a couple of graded readers. Finally now (And i really mean right now cause I've only started reading light novels 2.5 weeks ago) i'm able to read light novels that Japanese people write themselves. With gradual progress you'll be able to get the hang of reading, honestly the most important thing is to just get used to reading and seeing the sentences patterns. Good luck I now you'll be able to do it, just take that first step and you'll never regret it. I hope my experience provides some help

howtwosavealif3 Member
From: USA Registered: 2008-02-09 Posts: 889 Website

Well there's rikaichan. Take full Dvantagenof that as well as programs and plugins the make making cards even easier.

U should look into song lyrics. It's a pretty good way to break into real japanese that's not textbook and you can use rikaichan on it. Also if u find an interesting artist then u can read their Wikipedia article and any interviews they've done. Rikaichan makes it so much easier

undead_saif Member
From: Mother Earth Registered: 2009-01-28 Posts: 635

howtwosavealif3 wrote:

Well there's rikaichan. Take full Dvantagenof that as well as programs and plugins the make making cards even easier.

U should look into song lyrics. It's a pretty good way to break into real japanese that's not textbook and you can use rikaichan on it. Also if u find an interesting artist then u can read their Wikipedia article and any interviews they've done. Rikaichan makes it so much easier

Took the words out of my mouth!

yudantaiteki Member
Registered: 2009-10-03 Posts: 3619

And don't forget that you can always combine real things with textbook/core sentences.  Sometimes people talk about a "transition" to real media as if it's either 100% textbook/core or 100% native materials and nothing in between, but I think that's nonsense.

Kurotowa Member
From: Finland Registered: 2011-12-06 Posts: 50

Hyperborea wrote:

That plus Yotsubato! as mentioned above. It's a great way to slip into reading and get useful, everyday vocab as well as some Japanese culture. I'm about 100 pages from the end of volume 11. That's the current end of the series though it seems that the author has been putting out one a year so maybe there will be a 12th this December?

The next volume of Yotsubato has been scheduled for February

As for a easy reading material, なぜ?どうして?科学のお話 series might also be worth checking out.

Kewickviper Member
Registered: 2009-07-15 Posts: 143

Learning from native level material that peaks your interest is all well and good, but if you're having to look up every other word it becomes dull very fast. I had the same idea as you with heading straight for my interests rather than difficulty. I went out and bought the first few FMA manga volumes since this is my favourite anime. After having to look up pretty much every word for the first few pages and not understanding any of the dialogue even though I knew roughly what it was about from watching the anime I quickly gave up. I then bought yotsubato as it's meant to be "easy" and still found it extremely difficult, to the point where I would get frustrated that I couldn't understand "easy" Japanese. While I now thinkthat it is actually pretty easy and I can happily read through an entire volume without a dictionary, it doesn't come straight away.

Unfortunately with reading I don't think you can just go straight to the "fun" stuff like you can with listening, dramas, music etc... I listen to some comedy podcasts and while there is a lot I don't understand I can still get enjoyment from the parts I can. However with reading unless I can understand the vast majority the constant looking up of words will make it dull super fast and I don't think will provide any language learning benefit unless you SRS all the hundreds/thousands of words you encounter.

squarezebra Member
From: England Registered: 2009-10-06 Posts: 124

The problem lies with the word 'easy'... there's really no such thing as an easy Japanese book in my opinion. But there are definately some books that are 'easier' than others. Kino no tabi used to frustrate the hell out of me because everyone said it was 'easy' yet I found myself looking up every other word. But that was a year ago, and now I barely have to pick up my dictionary at all. But whenever I pick up a new book by a different author, I usually find myself looking at my dictionary a lot in the first few chapters... its a case of getting used to an author's style of writing and choice of vocab. You just have to stick at it, and eat the frustration to begin with; it definately always gets easier.
And yeah, you do need to SRS a lot at first... you can't just do core2k/6K and jump right into light novels/manga expecting not to come across any difficulties. It all depends on what you're reading at the end of the day. Even something as 'easy' as doraemon can have some strange vocabulary.

jordan3311 Member
From: ohio Registered: 2010-08-09 Posts: 201

I think I am going to try out lingq for about 2 weeks-1 month. It has a lots of articles to choose from. I want see if I like it and does it help me. I believe that it will help me make a smoother transition to reading native material. This site also has audio for its articles as well.

jordan3311 Member
From: ohio Registered: 2010-08-09 Posts: 201

Has anyone used lingq if so how is it?

Last edited by jordan3311 (2012 November 11, 9:38 pm)

r0peJP New member
From: Germany Registered: 2012-03-08 Posts: 6

Our bookstore had only 2-3 novels in Japanese. I decided to buy "星の王子さま" (Le Petit Prince). But there are a lot of words I don't know, in my opinion some of them I wouldn't probably use anyway (eg. 原始林 "primeval forest" or the use of 嚙む instead of 噛む...).

Did someone read the book? Maybe I need to read it again in my native language.

Do you just look up words you don't know, after that deciding whether the word is worth remembering?

Kewickviper Member
Registered: 2009-07-15 Posts: 143

Since I'm still doing Core6k2k I always do a quick check on any new words I see in the wild. If they're already in core then I don't bother adding them since I'll learn them eventually anyway, otherwise I add them to a separate deck which I will start after core. This saves me a lot of work as I'd say more often than not the unknown words are already in core.

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