Resources like JGram

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somstuff Member
Registered: 2012-06-18 Posts: 65

Anyone know any resources like JGram, with just a giant list of grammar points and example sentences? JGram's really messy and there are often disagreements over the examples in the comments, so I don't know when to trust it.

http://jgram.org/pages/viewList.php

Bokusenou Member
From: America Registered: 2007-01-12 Posts: 820 Website

somstuff wrote:

Anyone know any resources like JGram, with just a giant list of grammar points and example sentences? JGram's really messy and there are often disagreements over the examples in the comments, so I don't know when to trust it.

http://jgram.org/pages/viewList.php

There's Renshuu's Grammar library, but I think everything there (or at least the example sentences) is user submitted as well, so you might have better luck with a (paper) grammar dictionary.

Last edited by Bokusenou (2012 September 10, 6:15 pm)

imabi Member
From: America Registered: 2011-10-16 Posts: 604 Website

I don't have a particular "list" of grammar points, but I do cover a very wide range of points. Though the pages need lots of editing, proofreading, and native review, which is underway, it may be worth your while as everyone else.
www.imabi.net

A remodel project is currently underway, and I intend to make a glossary of some sort eventually.

Note: Any native speakers or people that know native speakers, I would greatly accept their aid. If my Japanese be faulty or incorrectly explained, I need to know. It would greatly help my Japanese as well as all the others that use the site on a daily basis. Nothing is perfect, but I want it to be the best and I can't do it all by myself.

Last edited by imabi (2012 September 10, 10:46 pm)

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buonaparte Member
Registered: 2010-11-25 Posts: 797

I never trust anything by non-professionals.

These are good enough to be worth having a look at (for English speakers):
Paper books
Seichi Makino and Michio Tsutsui
Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar
Dictionary of Intermediate Japanese Grammar
A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar

Stefan Kaiser and Yasuko Ichikawa
Japanese: A Comprehensive Grammar
(over 3000 real example sentences)

JapanesePod101
Here's the list of 401 items:
http://www.japanesepod101.com/learningc … amp;value=
Explanations in plain English, plenty of example sentences, the mojority of them with audio.
You have to register.

Zgarbas Watchman
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2011-10-09 Posts: 1210 Website

First time I hear of "Japanese: A Comprehensive Grammar". What's it like? Seems like an alternative to the grammar dictionaries; does it have anything the grammar dictionaries don't have?

Renshuu's grammar library is checked by natives, and is constantly growing.

Oniichan Member
From: 名古屋 Registered: 2009-02-02 Posts: 269

You might find this book interesting:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3JCPMC8JA … hisHelpful

It's also available online in its pre-publication form. It dispenses with all that "masu form" and "Te form" craziness used in typical classrooms and gets down to the foundation of Japanese language.

Here's a link to the book on the author's website:

http://grammar.nihongoresources.com/doku.php

EDIT:  A couple of examples (my emphasis):

1.  In Japanese, all verb inflections are in fact chains of helper verbs and verbal adjectives, but rather than being a long list of separated verbs like in English, they are added to the base verb one by one until all the tenses, moods and aspects have been dealt with. For instance, the verb construction 待たされていました means ”(I) had been made to wait”. While hard to tell without spaces or a knowledge of verbal grammar at this point, this is actually a series of six verbs chained together in a very specific way:

First, we see (ま)た, the imperfect base form for 待つ, “wait”. This base form (未然形) is used when forming the negative, passive, causative or 'pseudo-future' form of a verb. Then we see され, the continuative base for the helper verb for causatives, される. This base form (連用形 ) is a general purpose 'intermediate form' for a great number of inflections. Then て, the continuative base for the helper verb for conjunction, つ. Then い, the continuative base for the verb いる, “to be” for animate objects. Combined with て it forms the ”-ている” form, which marks a verb as present progressive. Then まし, the continuative base for the helper verb for politeness, ます. Then finally た, the terminal base (連体形) for the helper verb for past tense, た.

2. (On 'ありがとうございます')

As mentioned in the adjective section, this is an example of classical adjective pronunciation, and is actually a long chain of conjugations:

ある in 連用形 + 難い in classical pronunciation*+ ござる in 連用形 + ます

あり + がとう + ござい + ます

ありがとうございます

This literally means “this is a difficult thing to accept”, stemming from the concept of becoming indebted to someone who helps you. As becoming (further) indebted to someone is always a hard thing to accept, this phrase is used instead of a separate word for thanking...



* This final section is not about how classical adjectives inflect, but is actually about what happens when we pair modern verbal adjectives with certain special verbs, such as ござる and 出でる. While these very rarely get used on their own, there are certain set uses for them, where they pair up with specific adverbs, derived from verbal adjectives. In these cases, the adverbial form of the verbal adjective actually undergoes a sound change, the 連用形 く becoming a う instead, and leading to four possible classical pronunciation changes (meaning they will potentially change the pronunciation of the adjective with blatant disregard of their kanji):

If the syllable preceding the 連用形 く is an あ row syllable, the adverb gets an —おう sound instead:

早い becomes はや[く→う], which contracts to 早う.
有難い becomes ありがた[く→う], which contracts to 有難う.

Last edited by Oniichan (2012 September 11, 8:49 pm)

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