Preparation for reading manga?

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heyer New member
From: Denmark Registered: 2012-05-29 Posts: 5

Hey there. Not so long ago, I got interested in learning japanese. So I played a bit around with iKnow (smartFM?). I went through about 300-400 words before being frustrated about my lacking ability to differentiate aswell as write kanji. So now I'm well on my way with RTK, and I enjoy it immensively. My goal is to be able to read simple manga (think stuff for 16 year olds). Having lurked around the forum a bit, it seems most people recommended learning vocabulary from reading, and I must admit, that does sound fun. But how do you break that initial barrier of getting started? Ya know, get the stone rolling. Should I complete core6k before embarging on simple manga? I would be happy if people would share their ways of "getting started"

blackbrich Member
From: America Registered: 2010-06-06 Posts: 300

I broke into manga by basically learning most of basic Japanese grammar from Tae Kim with Anki. After that I did about 1500 sentences from Core2000.

Then dropped sentence deck, opened a manga page and made a vocab card in Anki for every unknown word(Which was about 85% in my case). Then I kept going.

I only did about a page a day before I got tired. Then stopped vocab picking till the next day. Just flipped through and looked at pictures.

Last edited by blackbrich (2012 August 25, 3:40 pm)

ltsax New member
From: US Registered: 2009-10-19 Posts: 9

I have been studying Japanese for a few months and I bought a manga called Hunter X Hunter to try to start reading. It is supposed to be a story for little boys but I found it extremely hard to get through it even with a dictionary. So my advice is, put off manga until you know more words and grammar pattens. I like using Japanese Graded Readers (go to white rabbit .com). Even though they are expensive, they are easy enough for a beginner to start reading and teach a little about Japanese culture.

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gaiaslastlaugh 代理管理者
From: Seattle Registered: 2012-05-17 Posts: 525 Website

When I got back into studying recently, I got most of the JLPT N2 kanji down, plus a couple hundred beyond that, before I began diving into manga. I then started reading some simpler manga (謎の彼女X and らんま) while also working through the N1 kanji on KanjiBox. I've simultaneously been stocking up on vocab using a custom Anki deck and the Rikaisama plug-in; I've added about 25 new words daily to my review pile since June.

I'd recommend at least knowing the first 1,000 most frequently used kanji cold. That will GREATLY facilitate your ability to read simple Japanese. Doing Heisig is, obviously, a great option.

I'd recommend keeping around some manga you like, and tackling one or two of them every few weeks or so. If it's too painful to get through, put it aside and come back to it later. There are still many manga I find surprisingly hard. I picked up ココロコネクト lately,  e.g., and was surprised how little of it I could grok without extensive lookups and grammar decoding.

Last edited by gaiaslastlaugh (2012 August 25, 2:06 pm)

RawrPk Member
From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: 2011-12-17 Posts: 148

I think this site will help

http://anime-manga.jp/index_english.html

It's an interactive manga website. You can click on the text bubbles and it will play the audio smile

They show different types of characters saying the same sentence in their own way. You can see the text in full Japanese, kana, romaji. Plus there is cultural notes.

Last edited by RawrPk (2012 August 26, 4:39 pm)

ojousan Member
From: British Columbia Canada Registered: 2009-10-06 Posts: 26

I also think you need a basic knowledge bank before you can get into manga. In the past, I could never get past the first few pages of a manga because I couldn't understand a thing without constantly looking at a dictionary, which made reading very painful and boring. If manga is boring, you know there's a problem! Also, you might have to look at a few different series before you find the right one.

I just got through the first chapter of my first manga the day before yesterday. The series is Bakuman. At first I tried reading Vol. 1 of One Piece because I know the story, but it was too difficult because of the unfamiliar vocabulary. However, somehow Bakuman is easier than One Piece for me, even though the story is completely new to me.

I can understand the gist of what's going on without a dictionary, and can get through about 10-20 pages in one sitting and still enjoy what I'm doing. I highlight the sentences I understand 100% (grammar and vocab), and so my current book is about 30% highlighted, but I can understand the gist of about 75% of the sentences. The rest is taken care of by the pictures and context.

However, I needed Tae Kim Essential Grammar, RtK Lite, and Core2k before I even attempted this. Because I don't use a dictionary, I pick up some new vocab because I can recognize the kanji from RtK Lite and the furigana (sooo important!) provides the reading for me. The stuff I don't get? I don't sweat it!

My advice is to use manga as reading practice that is only slightly above your current level. Don't kill yourself trying to use manga as a way to pick up a ton of new vocab! Manga should still be fun or there's no point.

Last edited by ojousan (2012 August 26, 8:42 pm)

Zarxrax Member
From: North Carolina Registered: 2008-03-24 Posts: 949

The trick to getting into it is to start with some that are really really easy.
Stuff with short stories (no more than a few pages per chapter) are ideal, especially if they are aimed at young children.

I think one of the best mangas to start out with is "Chi's Sweet Home". You can even find downloads of the raw japanese manga if you look hard enough on google.
Another easy one is Crayon shin-chan. And Yotsubato is often recommended (but it has 20-30 page chapters)

undead_saif Member
From: Mother Earth Registered: 2009-01-28 Posts: 635

Check these out, you can "try them" before buying them if you find them useful!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1880656906/
http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Mangalan … pd_sim_b_4
http://www.amazon.com/Mangajins-Basic-J … pd_sim_b_6

Hyperborea wrote:

The only downside is that if you are a ~20 year old guy your friends will call you names if they see you reading it.

That would be hilarious! And what's not common in "laser death swords"? LOL

RawrPk wrote:

I think this site will help

http://anime-manga.jp/index_english.html

That looks like a pretty cool website! They divided the content into four categories depending on Manga type. Thanks!

Last edited by undead_saif (2012 August 27, 4:35 am)

heyer New member
From: Denmark Registered: 2012-05-29 Posts: 5

Thanks alot for the input. It seems the general opinion is that a vocab around the level of core2k completion is a good starting point for entering some beginner stuff.

Reply #10 - 2012 August 29, 2:03 pm
Realism Member
Registered: 2011-05-01 Posts: 206

heyer wrote:

Hey there. Not so long ago, I got interested in learning japanese. So I played a bit around with iKnow (smartFM?). I went through about 300-400 words before being frustrated about my lacking ability to differentiate aswell as write kanji. So now I'm well on my way with RTK, and I enjoy it immensively. My goal is to be able to read simple manga (think stuff for 16 year olds).

your Japanese is as good as a 16 year old's?

Well if that's the case you're fluent already.


Really just read whatever you want, whatever interests you. If you're always scared by the "difficulty" then it's gonna be tough.

I read a 500 Japanese novel when my Japanese was absolute garbage then. I plowed through it, took about 3-4 months. That novel took my Japanese to another level, learned more from that than any Japanese class.

Just read anything you want. Don't worry about it.

Last edited by Realism (2012 August 29, 2:17 pm)

Reply #11 - 2012 August 29, 4:23 pm
TwoMoreCharacters Member
From: Sweden Registered: 2010-07-10 Posts: 480

^No, he said that it was a goal to be able to read stuff for 16 year olds, approximately.

I still agree with what you say though, even if it can be possibly discouraging to try to read stuff you don't understand much of, I don't think it hurts to start early. You do learn from doing it.

Reply #12 - 2012 August 29, 9:41 pm
rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

Buy a few books that look interesting to you and see what your level of tolerance for pain is. Some people don't mind stopping every 2 words to look something up, others would go nuts. (I can't stop that often when I read. It drives me crazy.)

As long as you want to read it, it's worth trying it. If it doesn't work, set it aside and use it as motivation to get to the level you need to be to read it. Check to see how you're doing every now and then by trying to read it.

I started reading manga after I finished RTK and had reviewed Genki I and II after 3 years of not studying. (I had taken 6 semesters in university, but forgotten a lot of it.) That was enough to get me started with some basic manga.

I also highly recommend Yotsubato as well. Funny stuff, and no jargon to get in the way.

Reply #13 - 2012 August 30, 12:52 am
ryuudou Member
Registered: 2009-03-05 Posts: 406

Realism wrote:

I read a 500 Japanese novel when my Japanese was absolute garbage then. I plowed through it, took about 3-4 months. That novel took my Japanese to another level, learned more from that than any Japanese class.

Not sure what "absolute garbage" means in the context you're referring to, but I assume you had RTK completed and basic grammar/vocab right?

Reply #14 - 2013 April 24, 6:37 am
visual_jei Member
From: Japan Registered: 2012-05-12 Posts: 11 Website

Being able to open a book, and actually being able to read from it is a big motivator.  Once you have down some basic grammar, try reading books in which the story is predictable. I wasn't even finished with Genki I when I became impatient and picked up Ponyo (from Studio Ghibli) in manga/picture book format, and it was relatively easy and fun to get through! There are quite a few books like these, for example, adaptations of Disney movies written into light novels for kids that are good for the beginner students of Japanese, but don't make you stuck on one page for 15 minutes, and you already have background knowledge so you use a lot of context to propel yourself along. After that and Genki II and other "Intermediate" practice, I was able to get through a few shoujo stories.

Good luck!

Last edited by visual_jei (2013 April 24, 6:39 am)

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