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Reply #101 - 2008 January 11, 6:12 am
resolve Member
From: 山口 Registered: 2007-05-29 Posts: 919 Website

This is how I use the various eases:

http://repose.ath.cx/ease.png

Reply #102 - 2008 January 11, 11:55 am
rich_f Member
From: north carolina Registered: 2007-07-12 Posts: 1708

Doh. There's a good reason I shouldn't post late at night. I got my 0 and 1 confused. I never use 0 at all, unless I'm just drooling on the keyboard for some reason or another. This is how it should read:

The way I score sentences is like this:

4 - Easy. Read it out loud without effort, understood it without thinking.

3 - Could read the sentence out loud (kanji and all), knew what all the words meant, and understood the meaning of the sentence as a whole with a little difficulty, but didn't spend more than a few seconds hesitating.

2 - Same as 3, but with more difficulty and effort. It took me more than 10-15 seconds to figure out part of the sentence. That part could be anything-- a word, a meaning, a pronunciation. OR I just reviewed this one as a 1, and am feeling better about it, but not 3 better.

1 - I missed the meaning/pronunciation/spelling of a word in the sentence, or I couldn't grasp the meaning of the sentence.

0 - What language was this again? I need to wipe my drool off of the keyboard. (So no, I don't use this very much at all.)

Reply #103 - 2008 January 15, 11:23 pm
Aikiboy Member
From: Kitakyushu Registered: 2006-12-09 Posts: 127 Website

It's interesting how everyone grades.  I tend to stick mostly with got it, 4, and screwed up, 1.

As for lists, I have mine on my phone now(RTK1 txt file and a full data Joyo Kanji excel file), it uses a document viewer.  I don't consider it part of my studies these days, but if I find myself with absolutely nothing to do in town, I'll browse through it. Before I got my tiny pc, I also carried a printout of the entire list and in free time would write the kanji by the clues, more like doodling than studying.

So, today I had 5 out of 6 classes free and got the idea to make a deck out of the 22,000 word frequency list I found at the Monash site. Of Course, it wouldn't be tab delimited, so I wound up with way too many fields.  I was using my little 7" screen so, on import anki stopped showing me fields at 21.  Apparently, I think, I neglected to add fields 12 and 13, so I only got one vocab field and 19 fields for the meaning/grammar/part of speech. I thought anki might implode or something cause it took 20-30 minutes to import. But she made it through to the end!  So, the word, in Japanese, is on the front, with everything else on the back, minus the handful of fields I didn't bother with.

I learned today that Anki can import at least 20 fields and at least a deck of 22, 637 words.  I figured after Heisig and my Kanji in Context reviews, I could run through it for kicks.

It's so nice that Anki keeps us all so motivated. Thanks resolve! smile

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Reply #104 - 2008 January 15, 11:48 pm
resolve Member
From: 山口 Registered: 2007-05-29 Posts: 919 Website

The 'uniqueness' check doesn't scale well, which is why it took so long. If you turn off 'must be unique' in all fields, the import should finish in a few seconds on normal hardware.

You may find that it takes a second or so between answering a card and the next one appearing on a deck of 22,000 cards. It's not the end of the word and it's faster than the cell phone interface usually is, but it's still irritating, so I am rewriting the backend at the moment. On a large deck, Anki now uses half the memory it was using before, starts up faster, and displays the next card immediately.  It'll take me another month or more to update the rest of the GUI, implement syncing again and polish things off. But you can keep track of progress at http://repose.ath.cx/tracker/anki/issue325

Oh, and you're welcome :-)

Last edited by resolve (2008 January 15, 11:50 pm)

Reply #105 - 2008 January 15, 11:50 pm
zazen666 Member
From: japan Registered: 2007-08-09 Posts: 667

I would like to see that word frequency list, can I get a link?

Reply #106 - 2008 January 16, 12:23 am
johnzep Member
From: moriya, ibaraki Registered: 2006-05-14 Posts: 373

I often run anki on a USB flash drive.  Loading and saving are quite slow for my deck with 3500 cards, so that is cool you are optimizing things.  (Though I've never noticed any performance issues at all on my regular computer, it runs great)

keep up the good work!

Reply #107 - 2008 January 16, 1:03 am
dingomick Member
From: Gifu_Japan Registered: 2006-12-16 Posts: 234

Would just like to say that you're amazing resolve. It may be just a hobby for you, but I consider Anki a professional development. Your passion adds more to the program than a paid team could. Thanks!

Reply #108 - 2008 January 16, 1:16 am
Aikiboy Member
From: Kitakyushu Registered: 2006-12-09 Posts: 127 Website

Oh, I was in no way complaining about the speed! The file was unusually large so I'd figured it wouldn't work and am thrilled that it did. smile Afterwards, when I was finding my mistake on display in the model, I saw the uniqueness boxes checked for the first and second fields, so that was probably what took so long. Thought I unchecked them though. It does take a little time between cards, but more than that there is a noticeable lag when I pull up the editor, of course. Oh, and I'm running on 800Mhz. yikes

I'd be happy to put the deck up on the anki site(Gotta give credit to creators of the file, though), but I'm almost out the door now. I'll try for tomorrow. It isn't a perfect deck of the list so if someone wants to manipulate the data better, no worries.

Cheers.

Reply #109 - 2008 January 16, 11:06 am
Aikiboy Member
From: Kitakyushu Registered: 2006-12-09 Posts: 127 Website

Interesting handle, zazen666.

I uploaded the deck to the anki wiki. It's under the extra decks and in the attachments area. Didn't know how to put it in the box. sad Hope it works.
Cheers.

Girardi-Kelly_Word_Frequency.zip
Girardi-Kelly%20Word%20Frequency.anki

Reply #110 - 2008 January 16, 12:11 pm
xaarg Member
From: Neverland Registered: 2007-07-13 Posts: 160

Aikiboy wrote:

It's under the extra decks and in the attachments area. Didn't know how to put it in the box.

I inserted links to the files in the page itself.

Reply #111 - 2008 January 16, 6:47 pm
Aikiboy Member
From: Kitakyushu Registered: 2006-12-09 Posts: 127 Website

Thanks xaarq! What a helpful community. smile

Reply #112 - 2008 January 16, 8:28 pm
dbooster Member
From: Japan Registered: 2007-10-26 Posts: 16

Question:

Is there a "hide" tag in Anki?  What I am currently thinking I would like to do is on my recognition flash cards, I would like to hide the translated answer. I want to do this to avoid translating into English in my head, so the answer card would only contain furigana for any kanji.  But then if I just have no idea, I can easily hit a hotkey or something to unhide the translation and see it.

Is that possible?  Does it make sense?  I would like to do this on a card by card basis so that when I have passed a card enough times I can then go in and hide the translation to challenge me further.

Reply #113 - 2008 January 16, 8:45 pm
Transtic Member
Registered: 2007-07-29 Posts: 201

This is just an idea. You could turn the font color to white for information you want to get "hidden" (it can be useful for cloze deletion too). This way, that info will be there, it will just not be visible. If you want to see it, just select the text with your mouse and it will appear as if by magic.

Last edited by Transtic (2008 January 16, 8:48 pm)

Reply #114 - 2008 January 16, 8:55 pm
dbooster Member
From: Japan Registered: 2007-10-26 Posts: 16

Well now, there's a solution that's so obvious I'm embarrassed I didn't think of it. Thanks!

Reply #115 - 2008 January 17, 12:14 am
johnzep Member
From: moriya, ibaraki Registered: 2006-05-14 Posts: 373

Yay, I finally caught up with my anki reviews.

Over the winter break, I was traveling, so I didn't really study at all.  When I finally got back and ready to study, I had a gazillion expired cards (or more precisely around 1000) 

Now that I'm caught up, I  like the "Final" mode a lot.  It gives a nice stopping point...5 hours with no expired cards!!! ^_^

Reply #116 - 2008 January 17, 12:55 am
johnzep Member
From: moriya, ibaraki Registered: 2006-05-14 Posts: 373

hmm...actually reviews keep coming up, even though when I finished it said the next card was due in 5 hours.

Reply #117 - 2008 January 17, 1:21 am
radical_tyro Member
Registered: 2005-11-19 Posts: 272

What is this "final drill" anyway? I can't seem to find info on it.

Reply #118 - 2008 January 17, 1:45 am
johnzep Member
From: moriya, ibaraki Registered: 2006-05-14 Posts: 373

After all the expired cards (and unlearned cards?) are done, it will by default show you all the cards due in the next 5 hours.

So it shows those cards a little early so you can get to a stopping point.

so if you fail a card, instead of waiting 10 minutes, with nothing to do, it will show you immediately.

I think I know why some cards show up too...it looks like spaced cards are separate.  If a card is due to become unspaced within the final mode 5 hour time frame, it doesn't show up.

Reply #119 - 2008 January 17, 3:13 am
wrightak Member
From: Tokyo Registered: 2006-04-07 Posts: 873 Website

johnzep wrote:

So it shows those cards a little early so you can get to a stopping point.

Maybe I'm not understanding fully but I don't think you will get to a stopping point. If you've got cards scheduled a few seconds after the 5 hour interval, then after you finish your final drill, you'll have to final drill them too since they will fall inside the 5 hour interval once you've finished. This could keep going.

Like I said, maybe I'm not getting this but what's the difference between this final drill feature and shifting the present time forwards by 5 hours?

If you think that 10 minutes is too long to wait until seeing a card you made a mistake on, why not adjust this instead of enabling this final drill feature?

My view is that either you believe your scheduling algorithm or you don't. If you do believe that it works, why would you want to see cards before their scheduled time?

Reply #120 - 2008 January 17, 5:18 am
resolve Member
From: 山口 Registered: 2007-05-29 Posts: 919 Website

10 minutes is a pretty good default time. Cards that are remembered for 10-20 minutes will perform better the next day than cards that are shown soon after they were forgotten.

But in the absence of anything else to do, failing 3 cards and waiting 10 minutes to fail them again is pretty unproductive, and most people don't want to do something else while twiddling their thumbs. Yes, adding new cards or doing some sort of study in the interim is probably the best approach, but many people don't want to do that.

You make a valid point about always being 5 hours ahead. It's intended that you close Anki and don't return for a while after completing the final drill, but if leave Anki on cards will continue to trickle in. The solution for that is to not enter the final drill until a card has actually expired.

If you don't like the final review, you can turn it off :-) It's the default because, as I explained somewhere (maybe the Anki forums), a 10 minute wait is contrary to user's expectations and not very intuitive for someone new to an SRS. And most other SRSes do similar.

Reply #121 - 2008 January 17, 5:21 am
cracky Member
From: Las Vegas Registered: 2007-06-25 Posts: 260

I like the final drill because it allows me to have one large review session where I know cards won't be expiring for awhile.  This way I can just review once a day, add my new cards during the 5 hour gap before more cards expire, then do a big review again tomorrow.

Reply #122 - 2008 January 17, 7:47 am
dingomick Member
From: Gifu_Japan Registered: 2006-12-16 Posts: 234

I run Anki on a Macbook Pro. I have my "Previous Input" shortcut mapped to Cmd-`. Whenever I enter anything in Anki I get a remainder character that I have to delete every time I switch between characters. I've tried several other keymaps with different function keys and characters, but they all do the same. This only happens in Anki. Does anyone else have this problem? Can you look into it resolve? Thanks!

Reply #123 - 2008 January 17, 8:52 am
zazen666 Member
From: japan Registered: 2007-08-09 Posts: 667

Speaking about the new Final Review feature, one thing I have noticed after having used anki for a while(before and now and after the new Final Review feature) is that I feel there isn't a daily finish line to my reviews, which I felt like I had with RevTK. 

Now, I know logically what is going on with the SRS, and that I should be able to just close Anki whenever I fell like that day and be "done".

However, with RevTK, there always was a daily "goal" of X expired kanji. I would test myself, and which ever I didnt pass I would test again later or through out the day, till I passed all the expried kanji for that day.

However with Anki, expired cards keep "trickling" in thru out the day, so it seem, or at least feels, that I always have 30 or 40 more cards to review.

Basically, I get up in the morning with 100-150 cards to review. I do those, then close anki.
Now with in the set, there are many that I pass and wont see for a while, but there are also new cards and cards I dont remember and such, and mark 0,1, maybe . Lets say that is about 30 or so.
So, later through out the day, and usually again at night, I review again, but
those 30 have now grow since other cards are expiring as well.

At first I felt the FInal Review was solving this. I would go ahead and do the final reivew, and find that I didn't have many more cards to study.  However, if you open Anki say like, two or three hours later, their will be more cards to study usually.

I do like the feature that does not make you wait like 10 minutes to see three cards, but I am still on the fence about the final reivew.

Also, I have found myself doing some weird things with grading. What is the point of grading a card at 7-12 hours later, if you do the final review a bit later that day.

I mean, basically, if I find time in the day, I am opening up anki or checking it with my keitai to see if I can do some reviews. However, I feel that having a daily finish line of some sort would be beneficial.

I wonder if other anki users agree? There is no doubt that everyone reviews differently and Resolve certainly can't please everyone( thou he seems to do his best to try smile

Last edited by zazen666 (2008 January 17, 9:08 am)

Reply #124 - 2008 January 17, 9:40 am
resolve Member
From: 山口 Registered: 2007-05-29 Posts: 919 Website

The way an SRS implements a daily cutoff is simply to push reviews to the current day or the next day, or use scheduling only accurate to a day. Why not stop yourself from opening Anki many times during the day if you want it to be over with in one go?

dingomick: http://repose.ath.cx/tracker/anki/issue313

Reply #125 - 2008 January 17, 10:46 am
suffah Member
From: New York Registered: 2006-09-14 Posts: 261

Personally I love the final review.  I do one set of reviews in the morning and one set at night.  If I have more time in the morning, I can start on the evening's reviews and vice versa. 

I think those of you that just want one review session should either close Anki or ignore the cards as they trickle in and wait for the next day (easier said than done, I know).

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