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Reply #1 - 2012 July 30, 2:13 am
Ninjas New member
From: United States Registered: 2012-07-29 Posts: 6

I want to get this done in 20, would it be useful to "learn" them by doing 100 a day and just do reviews to ingrain them into memory? I have plenty of time until I start back up in college and am also seeing kanji daily translating one of my favorite obscure games from Japanese to English daily.
I'm on 200 and I don't "know" all of them yet, but I realized from my last attempt that he more I see them in reviews and in use the more I really know them.

So, would this work? If i can get the kanji out of the way I think translating would go faster as I wouldnt have to look up each one as I'm translating.

Reply #2 - 2012 July 30, 3:18 am
lardycake Member
Registered: 2010-11-20 Posts: 174

No matter how fast you learn the kanji you still have the reviews. You can only rush things into short term memory, not long term memory.

Your choice though, I did a similar thing months ago and regretted it.

Reply #3 - 2012 July 30, 3:22 am
EratiK Member
From: Paris Registered: 2010-07-15 Posts: 874

You can, but don't hesitate to do it in 40-60 days if you start feeling like burning out. Consistency is what gets you through kanji; it would be too bad to fail just because you were in a little rush. Good luck!

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Reply #4 - 2012 July 30, 3:24 am
stesani Member
Registered: 2011-04-23 Posts: 20

Have you read the thread about the guy who finished it in 15 days? There are exceptions to every rule but it's your task to find out if you're the exception or the rule.

I was on a pretty ridiculous pace a year ago and burned myself out unnecessarily to the point that I dropped RTK and I was past the 3/4 mark.

How quickly did you learn the first 200? That might give you a sense of your pace.

Time management in college is critical. Just learn to prioritize your time so you don't feel rushed to finish RTK.

Reply #5 - 2012 July 30, 3:36 am
Ninjas New member
From: United States Registered: 2012-07-29 Posts: 6

Thanks for the advice, I will go at the pace of 60 to 100 a day and adjust for days I feel more or less motivated, making sure to at least do 10 a day.

As for the first 200, I started it a while ago and got to about 130 before having to quit due to having to move mid summer. My plan is to do a ton of reading so I'm going to be getting very constant exposure to it daily once I can start translating games again in 7 days or so.

So far 60 a day is fairly easy, just do 20 and then review a bit and go do something else for a few hours. I got about 80 done today doing just that.

Reply #6 - 2012 July 30, 4:11 am
Fadeway Member
From: Sofia Bulgaria Registered: 2012-01-01 Posts: 90

The thing with adding new kanji is, reviews grow exponentially and generally stabilize around a number. Say, for 50 kanji a day and 100 during the weekend, you'll review ~300 per day, while for 100 kanji every day reviews will jump to 550+ (numbers are approximate but mostly accurate, I did it using this pace for the last 1200-1400 kanji). The more you've done before you get in the "sprint", the better you'll be at applying the method as well, so the review number will be lower.

You may feel it easy to take 80 a day with only 200 kanji behind you, reviewing maybe 100 of them a day, but when you do this for a week, your review count will plateau at a much higher number (say, 500), making it much harder. I'd recommend you to have a high base number you do every day (say 50), and then another higher number (say 100) you do every other day, when you feel you could handle increasing the amount you're reviewing per day.

In general, frustration increases a LOT when you up the number of new kanji per day, because instead of having 10% of cards be difficult, suddenly you dread every review. It's not just cards per day: instead of doing, say 200 per day, with 15% failed and thus repeated twice, and half of those repeated thrice, you easily end up in a situation with 600 per day, of which 60% you do at least twice, and most are done 3+ times until you get them correct. Reviews with so much frustration are not fun, and can easily burn you out if you're not ready. As EratiK said, consistency is far more important.

Reply #7 - 2012 July 30, 5:52 am
meeatcookies Member
From: Poland Registered: 2011-11-12 Posts: 96

You'll keep reviewing your RTK deck until there are no reviews anyway, but you can get done with adding new cards. If you'll give enough attention and time for each kanji, then 100+ is doable. Important thing is to use timeboxing, so you'll feel that you're achieving something all that time. At the same time i dont recommend doing more than ~50, i would say that it's still a "safe" pace to go through RTK and it's fast enough. I went sometimes with 100/day and at the end my new cards per day was around... 15.

Reply #8 - 2012 July 30, 6:25 am
Necrojesta Member
From: England Registered: 2012-06-12 Posts: 137

I want to finish before summer, hopefully this will include my reviews too, right now I'm doing 40 a day and that is a comfortable number. It was a bad idea for me, at the start to just do as many new kanji a day as I felt like. Having a number I have to reach adds more consistency and it's not too high so I can spare a lot of time for reviews.

Reply #9 - 2012 July 30, 2:47 pm
midonnay Member
From: australia Registered: 2011-12-20 Posts: 54

if you're using anki.....expect up to 1000 plus reviews a day as it ramps up.

If you really want the kanji to stick you should try to learn vocabulary as soon as possible afterwards.

After a month or so, kanji without extra connections in your memory from other sources will seem fairly vague.

stories and keywords can blend together.

Last edited by midonnay (2012 July 30, 2:48 pm)

Reply #10 - 2012 July 30, 2:58 pm
Ninjas New member
From: United States Registered: 2012-07-29 Posts: 6

I thought about the reviews climbing up on me and I think I can handle it. I think I will keep the pace of about 100 cards until I reach 500 and then spend some time adding 50 a day until I want to go faster again. That seems like the best way in my opinion to go through them. I am also writing down problem kanji to go back to and revise the story on, though luckily that is not too often.  I just feel that I want to get as many kanji in there before I get back home to my desktop computer with native material that was fun and exciting to look through and translate.
I still will aim for completing rtk this summer, but to do that i am going to have to make sure I learn them well. I have a good 4 hours or so a day now of free time now that my online summer classes are out, so I am currently spreading my study through the day. 30 kanji in the morning when I wake up, then breakfast and reviews and new cards, then 40 or so cards before lunch after a few hour break and. Yea just spread over an entire day so I don't get burned out. I think the reason I quit last time was not because I didn't have the time but more because I was going at such a slow pace I felt I was not progressing, despite doing 20 cards a day.  It just felt like I would never get done you know?

Anyway I'll be sure to avoid burnout, and even if I do hit burnout on pure kanji study I'll do reviews only while working through native material I have piled up.

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