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Codexus Member
From: Switzerland Registered: 2007-11-27 Posts: 721

Hi,

I've just gotten started and off course I'm a bit enthusiastic about it. So waiting 3 days to start reviewing the kanji I had just added and tested once was out of the question. I reviewed them early which resulted in many being moved to the next stack where the scheduled review is even farther. So I have no choice but to review them manually which increases the problem.

So what should I do? Pretend to fail them all so that they get to the bottom pile again? Is reviewing ahead of schedule a bad idea.

The ideal solution would be a special review ahead of schedule mode. In that mode, failed kanji would go back to the first stack normally but remembering a kanji would not promote it to the next stack.

What do you think? Does that make any sense?

Floatingweed5 Member
From: Scotland UK Registered: 2007-03-10 Posts: 120

Personally, I don't put newly learned kanji into my review stack until a week after first studying. My routine is to study expired cards first thing in the morning, learn new cards at lunchtime or early evening and then review all cards from the last 7 days last thing at night.

I think my method of waiting 7 days is probably a bit excessive, but I think that it does help to review a card daily for at least a few days before adding it to the SRS review. You really want to have it solid in your short term memory before you start the spaced repetition. This becomes really apparent if you are learning new kanji at a fast pace.

I don't know how to achieve this using the system on this site, as I use other software for my cards and reviews, but I agree with you that it is beneficial to review separately for a few days before going into spaced repetition.

dwhitman Member
From: pennsylvania Registered: 2007-09-19 Posts: 43

I did exactly what Codexus did when I started - I think it's a natural outgrowth of your enthusiasm on a new, exciting project.

My advice would be to just not sweat it.  Don't worry about the cards that got promoted early.  Try not to jump the gun on new cards, but again, don't worry too much if just can't wait.  It'll work out in the long run.

Rather than monkey with the piles, what I suggest is taking that wonderful enthusiasm, and channel it to increasing your rate of card addition - study more kanji per day so that you're adding more to the piles.  The piles will soon equilibrate to a natural repetition rate.

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vosmiura Member
From: SF Bay Area Registered: 2006-08-24 Posts: 1085

I did that too first time Codexus.  After that I just went through them all answering "No" and started over again.

I would recommend that you don't review the cards that you just added immediately on this site.  One strategy is to add them today, and then review them tomorrow.  If you remembered after 24h then you'll probably remember most of them after 4 days too.

For myself, I used Anki to review since about two months.  I wait about 30min to 1hour after learning before starting review in Anki, and I always answer "2" which schedules all newly learned cards for a review 1 day later.  Then when I review the card the following day, depending on how easily I remembered I will answer "3" which schedules around ~4 days or "4" which schedules around ~8 days.

1525 kanji later, I'd say it was a great review pattern for me.

Last edited by vosmiura (2007 November 30, 4:25 pm)

sutebun Member
From: Oregon Registered: 2007-06-29 Posts: 172

Floatingweed5 wrote:

Personally, I don't put newly learned kanji into my review stack until a week after first studying.....

Quoted for emphasis. I agree with all the points that Floatingweed has made and review in a very similar method.

I think with all the buzz about SRS in online learning communities, it becomes easy to misuse them. Learn something first and only put it in the SRS after you are sure you've learned it (or put it in, but don't start scheduling weekly reviews until you learned it...).

Most of the kanji in RtK are not learned after making a story once and writing the kanji down 2-3 times. Some will be if the story associates with the kanji incredibly well in the learner's mind, but these are found farer and fewer between than more commonly.

Codexus Member
From: Switzerland Registered: 2007-11-27 Posts: 721

Thanks for the advice. I'll try to make sure I learn the characters before I put them in the SRS revision stacks.

Anki seems a nice alternative to the system on this site, maybe I'll use both for extra revisions big_smile

JimmySeal Member
From: Kyoto Registered: 2006-03-28 Posts: 2279

Codexus wrote:

Anki seems a nice alternative to the system on this site, maybe I'll use both for extra revisions big_smile

yikes

The whole purpose of this site, and of any SRS, is to review no more than you need to.  If you have trouble remembering any kanji, you'll be seeing them plenty.

Just calm down. wink

Umikuma Member
From: Utah Registered: 2007-11-18 Posts: 51

What JimmySeal said. If the interval is long enough that you forget a kanji it will end up back on the beginning stack and the review process for that kanji starts over. The ones you do remember will stay out there where they belong: out of your way while you learn new ones. Anything that needs more review will cycle back and get it.

You're not in a race with anyone. Take a deep breath and do things at a pace you're comfortable with.

Personally, I use Anki on my mobile phone (I use StyleTap which lets me run Palm aps on Windows Mobile), on my desktop at home, and on my desktop at work. Gives me plenty of review and RTK here polishes things off. YMMV

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