so roppongi is full of gross fratboy foreigners. probably obvious but deserves to be said. I dont care where you go, (wall street, gas panic, jumanji) it will be full of sketchy westerners as well as japanese guys... ratio approx 3 to 1 male.

gas panic is actually tolerable because the djs are good... but you leave that place like a ww2 veteran left the pacific theatre.

shibuya generally has the same ratio, and slightly fewer foreigners (only slightly)... but still approx 3:1... I'm thinking Atom, Womb, Harlem. Only Camelot had a huge proportion of women... probably because they make all the seats ladies only. But even there honestly it is not the shitshow one is led to believe:
http://www.myxxxblog.com/pages/jokes/laidguide.html
it's basically like going to any club in the us that is full of girls but none of them are trying to go home with some stranger (like that's such a weird thing). anyways...

is there anything good that i'm missing...?

If you a straight, hardcase UK citizen who does not know what fratboy means I would reccomend not doing a google image search in front of your friends!

HonyakuJoshua Wrote:If you a straight, hardcase UK citizen who does not know what fratboy means I would reccomend not doing a google image search in front of your friends!

Hahahaha.
*Edit* Is this post about nanpa or are you looking for suggestions on where to go clubbing? Just curious...

HonyakuJoshua Wrote:If you a straight, hardcase UK citizen who does not know what fratboy means I would reccomend not doing a google image search in front of your friends!

ya this is true,... douchebaggery is an international sport.

Crispy I would welcome better ideas for either, although clubbing does hit a ceiling pretty quickly in terms of quality.

Donald - did you actually check google images?

If you are looking for tips on pulling women I have no advice to give.

i thought nanpa is daytime pickup?

kainzero Wrote:i thought nanpa is daytime pickup?

Yep; nanpa is approaching and picking up random women in the street (quite a difficult task).

The blog post linked above is about meeting girls who want to date/sleep with foreigners, whilst hanging out in foreigner-friendly bars (as easy as shooting fish in a barrel anywhere in Asia).

What a douchey blog post that is.

Nanpa, by the way, refers to picking up girls in general, not just on the street randomly. If you go to a bar and start flirting with girls, that's also nanpa.

Also, in Japan it's not really any easier to get chicks than anywhere else, contrary to popular belief.

That blogpost is certainly amusing at least:

"If she looks twenty-two, she's fifteen.
If she looks fifteen, she's twenty-eight.
If she looks twenty-eight, she's over forty. "

LOL

Tzadeck Wrote:Also, in Japan it's not really any easier to get chicks than anywhere else, contrary to popular belief.

This

Though I married a Japanese girl I met at a bar...but still, before that...very little success.

Amanojack, before he deleted his posts, had a good blog on the subject that dealt more with confidence in yourself. There were some useful conversation hacks, such as how to approach a lady and a how to handle yourself in the conversation.

Personally, I found the tips worked. Granted, this was not about meeting up with a random someone that also wanted to go out with a random person. This was about talking to somebody while keeping the right body language and handling yourself the right way afterwards.

I went to gaspanic when I went to Tokyo for golden week and found it to be pretty average. I'm underage, so it's one of the few places in Roppongi I could get into. I hooked up with a few girls and got some phone numbers, but no 持ち帰り or anything; the men certainly far outnumbered the women. I also got into 'Jumanji' and had the same experience. I went to Shibuya on a Saturday night and tried street nanpa with zero success. The girls there are so aware of being hit on that they just shake you off without a second thought. Daytime nanpa, 'daygame', is certainly the way to go.

The first girl that I tried to pick up here I ended up dating, we were both standing out the front of a cutlery store and I just started chatting to her. I find that it's fairly easy to get numbers/ dates, but it's a lot harder to close (i.e. sleep with them). It certainly doesn't help that I live 40 minutes from 梅田 in the middle of nowhere, which means taking them back to my place is impractical. Lately I've taken to flat out suggesting we go to a love hotel: 「２人だけでゆっくり出来る場所に行かない？」「どこ？」「ホテル。」

Anyway, I'd like to hear everyone's nanpa methods!

I've never actually hit on girls in Japan and but I have had (a large number of) gay men "hit on" me and found it quite disconcerting to say the least to start with.

I think this put me off hitting on women as I can easily see them being intimidated...

I would be generally interested to see what the feminists on this forum thought about the phenomenon

硬派 is the traditional opposite of nanpa 軟派 and it probably describes me excellently.

Different things work for different people but I've been around a lot of foreign men and most get fed up trying with Japanese women because they're not as easy they should be. Then I've been around those who can have a threesome within 2 hours of meeting some girls and I've even witnessed them go into a love hotel together.
The people that get fed up are the people that are usually desperate or frustrated and just want a girlfriend or to get laid. (I don't mean that in a bad way, nobody wants to be alone after all).
The "experts" usually have impeccable Japanese and sadly it's not the JLPT or J-Drama type you can learn that easily. Plus they've lived in Japan for at least three years.

So my advice, just be yourself. Of those people I know who are "normal" but lucky with the ladies, they're lucky because they're normal. They don't beg for sex in a non-verbal way and they don't bug the shit out of girls with emails. Japanese women tend to view foreigners as playboys, so simply prove them wrong, chill out and compliment their clothes (or something lol) instead of saying how hot they look. It'll get you a lot further in the long run than pretending to be interested and constantly emailing or calling to show them you're interested. As thecite said, when he tried hitting on girls they shake you off like it's nothing. When you're just randomly outside and talking they're happy to chat, he was probably being himself.

Just my opinion though, different people have different experiences because obviously not all women are the same. I think being yourself is the most important thing, whether she's Japanese or not.

As far as clubs, they all seem to be basically the same. Womb, Harlem, Camelot etc. You're better off finding a sushi joint or noodle bar late at night that's almost empty and getting to know the staff and one or two customers. You might just be surprised where it leads... I know I usually am.

Crispy Wrote:The "experts" usually have impeccable Japanese and sadly it's not the JLPT or J-Drama type you can learn that easily. Plus they've lived in Japan for at least three years.

Well, I have a friend who fell into that category when he was still living in Japan, but for us normal guys... maybe things have changed with more foreigners in Japan these days and more people who speak decent Japanese, but ten years ago it was absurdly easy to pick up a Japanese girl for the night even with very limited Japanese (and I'm thinking of clubs like Yellow... still exists, right?... Pure... Club Asia. Relatively speaking, of course, compared to a club in Canada.

I guess we also all know a few Western guy/Japanese girl couples who are in different leagues, so to speak, as in the guy is dating the kind of girl who would never even look at him in the West.

Don't know anyone though who met their spouse (or for that matter, a steady gf) in a club.

HonyakuJoshua Wrote:… I have had (a large number of) gay men "hit on" me and found it quite disconcerting to say the least to start with.

This happened to me a lot, too, and found it very annoying for the longest time. By now I think it's actually a compliment. I have gay friends and they're a lot more picky that my straight friends, especially when it comes to looks and physique. Really, man, take it as a compliment.

Expand your horizons people

Picking up a western girl at a Japanese club is the easiest thing in the world. Hands down.

Amirite?

I mostly do now to be honest. But when I was 19, 17 stone of muscle, knocked around with people who had underworld connections, challenging bouncers to fight, on first name terms with staff in A and E due to being hospitalized so much and pricing up sub machine guns I have to say I found "forward" sexual attention from strangers very, very threatening to the point I was physically frightened.

I would hate to think what a petite woman would think of a guy "hitting on her" and I don't do it myself.... I would be genuinely interested to read zgarbas'/ Fillanzea's views...

Kikitsune have girls ever been intimidated by you? they have by me.

HonyakuJoshua Wrote:Kikitsune have girls ever been intimidated by you? they have by me.

I don't think so. There were times when I went out with packs of foreigners and that intimidated girls (and attracted some others) but I don't think I personally intimidated anyone.

I just think Japan has a whole different culture of nightclubbing and one night stands compared to the west. I went to Japan right after college in NYC and I used to go out all over the place in the city and randomly hook up for the night with girls (in this thread=players).... But I was never able to pull off a one night stand with a Japanese girl in Japan, not once.

I'm married now so it doesn't matter anymore but my advice to the young ones is to not get your hopes up for sleeping with a Japanese girl you meet at a club. Just get their number and call them in a few dates and see if they want to meet for dinner or drinks and you should be set.

kitakitsune Wrote:Expand your horizons people

Picking up a western girl at a Japanese club is the easiest thing in the world. Hands down.

Amirite?

This is totally true... I've literally had girls follow me back to my hotel after expending zero effort... But what the hell man I don't travel around the world to hook up with western girls...

theasianpleaser Wrote:That blogpost is certainly amusing at least:

"If she looks twenty-two, she's fifteen.
If she looks fifteen, she's twenty-eight.
If she looks twenty-eight, she's over forty. "

LOL

Naw, this is a Chris Rock joke. Which anyone around my age from America already knows (thanks to the song "No Sex in the Champagne Room")

age=29?

Crispy Wrote:As thecite said, when he tried hitting on girls they shake you off like it's nothing. When you're just randomly outside and talking they're happy to chat, he was probably being himself.

Yeah, if you're gonna try and get numbers from girls on the street then I think you have to do it very innocently. If it seems like nanpa then you'll likely scare them off.

Tzadeck Wrote:Naw, this is a Chris Rock joke. Which anyone around my age from America already knows (thanks to the song "No Sex in the Champagne Room")

cornbread.

AIN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!

kainzero Wrote:cornbread.

AIN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!

Take off that silly-ass hat.

[Zgarbas]

The only time when I was intimidated by someone asking me out was that one guy who started crying, begging me to love him and to take his virginity away.

No, make that two times. I don't know if this counts as someone hitting on me(I mean he clearly tried), but this guy once sat next to me in a bar and started making out with my cheek. I'm fairly sure he didn't realize that he missed. Creeped me out completely.

Ah wait, there was also that one guy who followed me around town after I said I wasn't interested, asking passerbys to help me change my mind... maybe I have a knack for finding these guys?

please don't be like these guys