According to heisig the radical for road have only 3 strokes, one drop the the top.

The kanji for crossing 辻 (279) have only 1 stroke at the top of the road radical in the book while it has 2 in this site and in Denshi Jisho
http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E8%BE%BB

Even so, the stoke order at Denshi Jisho shows only 1 stroke for the radical.
what is going on here?

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=8939

there should be a sticky on this subject

It's nice that you link to a thread that link to 10 other threads that only in 1 of them people actually bothered answering the question.

And after reading most of them I still don't know if the 2 drops is specific to crossroad or is the official form of the radical in all kanji

There is no official form of 辻 because it's not on the Joyo Kanji list. Supposedly the new Joyo List says something about forms of non-Joyo Kanji but I don't know the details...it's not really worth worrying about.

One drop is just a simplified version of the two-drop road radical. You'll see that kind of thing all the time. While many kanji were simplified with the Toyo and Joyo kanji reforms, you'll still see the old forms in many places.

Don't beat yourself up wondering which is "right" - both forms are acceptable. Just learn to recognize the alternate forms when you see them.

My first Kanji dictionary, back in the dark ages before RTK, was "Beginners' Dictionary of Chinese-Japanese Characters" by Arthur Rose-Innes http://books.google.com/books?id=c9BDYKU...navlinks_s - it cross references old and new forms, so I learned them together.

The question comes up all the time which is why many people are tired of trying to answer it. Read the other threads if you want to know more.

BakaNaKami Wrote:It's nice that you link to a thread that link to 10 other threads that only in 1 of them people actually bothered answering the question.

From what I can see, all of the links in the thread Clasu linked to lead to threads that had answers to the question. What were you looking at?

Quote:And after reading most of them I still don't know if the 2 drops is specific to crossroad or is the official form of the radical in all kanji

You made no mention of this in your first post. Were we supposed to answer a question you didn't ask?


AFAIK, in non-Joyo kanji, both the single-drop and double-drop versions are allowable. For Joyo kanji, only the single-drop versions are standard and are technically the only correct versions.

JimmySeal Wrote:AFAIK, in non-Joyo kanji, both the single-drop and double-drop versions are allowable. For Joyo kanji, only the single-drop versions are standard and are technically the only correct versions.

And what that really means is that if you're preparing a textbook for Japanese schools, use the official version. If you're not, then nobody really cares which one you use.

JimmySeal Wrote:

Quote:And after reading most of them I still don't know if the 2 drops is specific to crossroad or is the official form of the radical in all kanji

You made no mention of this in your first post. Were we supposed to answer a question you didn't ask?

Well.. I guess... If you try REALLY hard... you might encounter the fact I asked about the road radical (and gave the crossing kanji as an example).
my exact question was:
"the stoke order at Denshi Jisho shows only 1 stroke for the radical.
what is going on here?"
So, in context, my question was "what is going on with road radical having either two strokes or one stroke?".

anyway, I guess I won't be posting in this forum anymore.

BakaNaKami Wrote:anyway, I guess I won't be posting in this forum anymore.

While the question could have definitely been answered with a bit less ire. You could have easily followed one of the universal rules for a forum etiquette and searched for your question. Simply putting in "Crossing" in the search turns up 5 posts (excluding yours). Just because you gave "crossing" as an example doesn't change the fact that you still basically asked "why does crossing have an extra drop?"

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That said. A topic needs to be stickied about this and a few of the more commonly asked kanji over and over. Getting a question about 'crossing' every 5-6 months is pretty annoying when people could just search.

@BakaNaKami

If you'd actually bothered to look at the links on the page Clasu directed you to instead of assuming that your version of the question was a precious original notion that had to be answered all over again, you'd see that the first link leads to a thread where Reply #5 has an answer to everything you were looking to find out:

furrykef Wrote:To be more precise, if I understand correctly, the "road" radical used to always have two drops. When the Tōyō and Jōyō kanji lists came about, they simplified the radical to have one drop. Any kanji not on the list still takes two drops (but one drop is always permissible and won't make you look like an idiot). This is the way character simplification works in Japanese. The Japanese are a buncha bureaucrats, so when they had a list of characters to simplify, they simplified only those.

Why do you expect us to answer the question all over again just because you asked it, when the answer's already here in several incarnations?

I know this is and old discussion but in case anyone wanted more resources to study, Wikipedia has en entry that (hopefully) clears up the confusion a bit:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/辵