rich_f Wrote:I dunno, I'll probably get the full game and play it through once, but I think I still like Titan Quest and Torchlight better-- they're more fun in a "modify your character" kind of way. (And *much* less Big Brother.) I have no problem replaying either one of those at any time. Titan Quest has a lot of different classes and combos to mess around with, and Torchlight is just fun.

I'm *really* looking forward to Torchlight 2, which will be out "soon" after the Diablo 3 hype has died down a bit.

I am also looking forward to Torchlight 2, and Grim Dawn, a game from the creators of Titan Quest. http://www.grimdawn.com/media_screenshots.php Both could keep me busy for weeks, if not months, they just never get old.

DIII on the other hand, judging by your experiences from playing the beta, it seems to be exactly what I expected. A stripped down game, which is probably going to receive some downloadable content in the form of armor, weapons, or something else they left out, or some new classes, for a small payment. In the auction house you could sell stuff for real money, or so i have heard, which makes it likely that something like that will happen.

But a beta is a beta is a beta, and must not necessarily resemble the final product, so it is better to wait with a final judgment of the game.

@nadiatims, yes, the Myth games were superb! Loved them, all of them!

Grim Dawn... will have to check it out! Thanks!

D3... losing interest fast. I just don't like having Blizz's profit/control model shoved down my throat. I'm generally 1P, not multi-P when it comes to PC gaming and console gaming, and I resent the "must has Internets or no can play!" treating-me-like-a criminal after dropping $50-$60 bucks for their stupid game mindset.

I *really* resent the hell out of it.

I generally don't buy games with ridiculous DRM as a personal principle-- sending my message to the market in my own little way.

I wish gamers would stand up to these companies with stupid ideas, and just not buy their stuff. Send them a message when their products suck. But I'm sure D3 will sell a lot of copies anyway, because there's so much built-up demand for it, and game journalists are generally too cowardly to call them on the carpet for it. *sigh*

I'm fine with the DRM for this game if only because I planned on always being connected to the internet to message my friends. Also I usually hold Blizzard above other companies, so if they use DRM then I typically look the other way. I don't care to play the beta so I'm just jumping in at the full game. Perhaps I'm not the same person I was when I played Diablo II and could spend the entire summer on Baal runs, but I hope I can still enjoy Diablo III.

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Oohhh I had forgotten about Grim Dawn!

Diablo III is ok I guess. It got a little bit interesting when I finally ran into a larger pack of monsters that had me run in circles. I guess I'm just missing the personality. It reminds me of German games which are often technically very polished, and are good games, but don't have a great personality or uniqueness. That's what I miss from Diablo II or maybe I'm just getting old. :p

The UI is odd. Was really surprised by the Accept / Cancel buttons on the skill window. I wouldn't have expected to have to click "accept" on a skill window but go figure. And those NPC dialogues where you have to click that tiny little "X" button to skip.

My only gripe with Torchlight is the lighthearted /colourful theme, but then again I've gotta drop my ridiculous "taste" in "realistic" RPGs.

ファブリス Wrote:And those NPC dialogues where you have to click that tiny little "X" button to skip.

or you can just hit space

Wish I had time playing such games again... @Nagareboshi Grim Dawn looks interesting. Can one play it also in japanese?

This thread is funny.

The *only* legit complaint is the persistent-online requirement. It sucks.

Other comments are absolutely trollish.

Nagareboshi, how do you know they'll nickle and dime players for content? Blizzard has a solid history of offering solid expansions for the money.

Also, it's amazing that people are judging the game on the first portion of the first act - aka the Tutorial. ;P

True, Torchlight 2 will retail for less, but there's no way the content will approach anything near D3. Not to mention the continuous delays, etc.

No comment on Grim Dawn (vaporware at this point).

I call it a HD Torchlight, and I love the beta so far. Gets boring though if you play alone.

Tori, who knows? It is pre-pre-pre-pre plus some more pre alpha. Time will tell. Meantime there are other games you could play in Japanese. I don't like steam, but there are free games and you can freely switch between languages. There are also complete translations for games such as The Witcher, maybe they added the official language pack for it as well. The Witcher 2, eventually Never Winter Nights, and so many others. The newest Elder Scrolls title can be played in Japanese, and I dare to bet that there are hundreds of other titles that you can find translations for.

ファブリス, adjust the gamma, switch over to b/w, and play some tunes from classic horror movies. :p

suffah, you are correct about the full-fledged Add-On's the company releases. But then again, take a look at Starcraft II. Want two characters? Buy another license. Want to use upcoming Add-On's or expansions on two accounts, buy two licenses for each. The real-life money aspect for the "warehouse" also makes it likely that Blizzard is going to sell stuff there. Blizzard would not miss out a chance to earn money, micro-contents are popular, so why not? It is a possibilty, and which company would miss out a chance to monetize on its players when there is a chance to do so? Nothing to say against it, because it is still up to the individual to take or leave, isn't it?

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You are talking about monetization and didn't mention the auction house. I thought that was going to be the most controversial topic. Last time I read they had planned it so you can draw real cash from item sales, and Blizzard takes a percentage. Presumably to undermine gold "farmers". That said I didn't read the D3 news in a long while.

Also it seems "DLC" and "offline play" are being interchanged. DLC seems to refer to downloadable content. If Diablo II came out today wouldn't it feature the expansion pack as a Steam download rather than sold in a box?

Personally, I rarely ever had the motivation to play Diablo 2 offline. There was a nice community called The Amazon Basin that organized private password protected games for like minded players. I imagine they will do the same for Diablo 3.

suffah Wrote:No comment on Grim Dawn (vaporware at this point).

There's very recent updates on the site, and only a week ago they started taking pledges and are up to over half of their goal. No need to be so pessimistic yet.

suffah Wrote:The *only* legit complaint is the persistent-online requirement. It sucks.

Other comments are absolutely trollish.

if complaints lead to people not playing the game, then they're all legit, right?

i played the builds at blizzcon and didn't like it. i don't know why. instead of trying to find reasons why i'll just accept it and move on to other games.

If you miss D1+2 you should try Path of Exile.

Its still in closed beta; it will be f2p on release in june/july 2012.
It has a massive skill tree inspired by Final Fantasy and total liberty in making the character the way you want (A witch with dual swords, a ranger with heavy armor or summons). Its pretty addictive

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/

The leagues will be interesting with cut-throat hardcore or iron man:

http://www.pathofexile.com/leagues/

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Wow, love the mood in the Path of Exile videos.

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@Gaijinme are you playing the closed beta? It seems purchasing the Early Access Pack would allow to play now, is that right?

Love their ‘ethical microtransaction’ stance. Hopefully that will work for them.

yeah, you can play right away but there will be a wipe before soft launch (open beta, maybe in june < but no wipe after that)

IMO the customization in Diablo 3 is so much deeper than Diablo 2 even without skill tree...

Why? C'mon remember back to levelling 1-10 in Diablo 2, pretty boring and most people ended up saving skill points for late game skills where ultimately people ended up using only 2-3 skills anyway, early skills are useless and you can easily ruin your characters. Is that really fun?

In Diablo 3 you'll have to choose a set of 6 skills which will be used all the time, there are around 23 skills for each class and all of those skills have 5 big variations which changes how it function.. soo 23x5= 215 skills. And of course there are more loots and gears slot to collect The only difference is that character build is not permanent, which for me is a good thing, I don't want to restart a new character just because I clicked the wrong button on level-up...

Oh and sorry for the rant guys

anyway this is all has been discussed to dead... read here if you are interested on recent discussion:
http://www.diablofans.com/news/1172-rele...lue-posts/

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cozmic0 Wrote:C'mon remember back to levelling 1-10 in Diablo 2, pretty boring

Level 1-10? I think you meant all of Normal and Nightmare difficulty

Admittedly the beta was a very limited view of the game, especially for peeps like me who stopped following the D3 news months ago. The first few levels it seems like you are being spoon fed.

The main issue for me is performance unfortunately.

I tried Path of Exile (bought 10$ "support" pack with a beta key) and happy to report that it runs 40-60 FPS on my late 2009 iMac (ATI 4850, 2560x1440, vsync on) including shadows! It's very well optimized. Even when there are many dead bodies on the screen. It's a bit old school. In some places the art is really nice, like the skillbar, and the title screen. In other places like the characters on the selection screen, it can look just a wee bit sub-par compared to AAA titles. Overall it's more drab visually, but it has a mood which, personally, I didn't see coming through at all in Diablo III. Monsters don't die too easily, and it can get really crowded in caves, somewhat reminiscent of Diablo 1.

It's got up and downs just like D3, but I'd say it's definitely worth checking out for 10$, or when it comes out.

Diablo III is much more colourful, and the art of course is more solid, but it runs like crap even though I was playing by myself. It'll certainly drop another 5-10 FPS when I am in a multiplayer game. :/

The graphic feature which bugs me most is the stupid fog. Those large floating transparent sprites always make games crawl. I don't know how it is in later levels but the beginning outdoor areas in Diablo III were full of it, making my FPS drop from 30 in some areas to 20 in others.

Not Blizzard's fault that I'm running an old 4850 but seeing how low poly the characters are on the selection screen you'd think the game would run better than that. Not to mention that I don't remember seeing any particular shader, shininess or reflection effects that would explain the performance cost.

hmm interesting, I thought Blizzard usually goes for the lowest system req possible haha, not anymore maybe. A CM had said that the beta build is not optimised though so it'll certainly be faster on the retail client, although if you're below the minimum spec I don't think it'll matter much...

This is the minimum spec for those interested

Minimum Requirements:

PC:
Fully-updated Windows® XP/Vista/7 with DirectX 9.0c
Intel Pentium® D 2.8 GHz or AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 4400+ (or better)
NVIDIA® GeForce® 7800 GT or ATI Radeon™ X1950 Pro (or better)
1 GB RAM (with Windows XP)or 1.5 GB RAM (with Vista or Windows 7)
12 GB available Hard Drive space, DVD-ROM drive (for retail disc versions only)
Broadband Internet connection
Video settings reaching a minimum resolution of 1024x768


Recommended Requirements:

PC:
Fully-updated Windows® Vista/7
Intel® Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz or AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 5600+ 2.8 GHz or better
At least 2 GB RAM
NVIDIA® GeForce® 260 or ATI Radeon™ HD 4870 or better


For a full list of unsupported video cards, please visit: http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/...-card-list


source: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4365746905

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Oh I should have mentioned that I tried the Mac version, my bad. Typically I would run games in Windows. It certainly runs better under Windows, but by how much that's anyone's guess as the weekend was too short for me to download the Windows version to give it another go.

oh I should have pasted the Mac req too... anyway it's on that link at the bottom of the post

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Well this thread seems to confirm performance issues with the Mac version:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4015203511

I'll definitely check Diablo 3 again, on my Windows 7 partition. Hopefully they'll have some kind of try before you buy option, or maybe another weekend test?

cozmic0 Wrote:Why? C'mon remember back to levelling 1-10 in Diablo 2, pretty boring and most people ended up saving skill points for late game skills where ultimately people ended up using only 2-3 skills anyway, early skills are useless and you can easily ruin your characters. Is that really fun?

arguably, because there is the chance that you might screw up your characters for hell, there's also a bigger investment and more strategy required, and designing those strategies could be fun. especially when the community has to design and test strategy and everyone's pooling their mental resources.

i remember when the biggest strategy for a warrior in diablo 1 was standing in the doorway. leveling from 1-10 in d2 is not that bad, man. =)

There will be a starter (free trial) edition available shortly after launch, that should give you a better idea on performance.