HonyakuJoshua Wrote:I think the most ignorant are the loudest because the most sinister keep the lowest profiles...That reminded me of this Polish saying:
julianjalapeno Wrote:安心the last part said 心？ Man the font gave me a completely different kanji then what I thought it was. I got the first part but the last part. Guess it's ok.... was anyone else able to read it correctly?
ta12121 Wrote:Yeah, I certainly did, without even a second thought. But maybe since I've lived in Japan for like four years I'm used to a bunch of different fonts (if anyone wants a real challenge, I can recommend you an organic vegetable restaurant in Kyoto that has a ridiculously hard to read menu).julianjalapeno Wrote:安心the last part said 心？ Man the font gave me a completely different kanji then what I thought it was. I got the first part but the last part. Guess it's ok.... was anyone else able to read it correctly?
Tzadeck Wrote:Just out of curiosity, what was the name of the restaurant?ta12121 Wrote:Yeah, I certainly did, without even a second thought. But maybe since I've lived in Japan for like four years I'm used to a bunch of different fonts (if anyone wants a real challenge, I can recommend you an organic vegetable restaurant in Kyoto that has a ridiculously hard to read menu).julianjalapeno Wrote:安心the last part said 心？ Man the font gave me a completely different kanji then what I thought it was. I got the first part but the last part. Guess it's ok.... was anyone else able to read it correctly?
HonyakuJoshua Wrote:@Tzadeck i have only been to Japan for ten days - Do you think Japanese men are sexist too?Sexism is a hard topic for me to talk about because it’s very complicated and because I don’t agree with most of the things I’ve read or heard from others about sexism.
kusterdu Wrote:Just out of curiosity, what was the name of the restaurant?It's in 西院 (which is another name for the intersection at 西大路四条). I think it's called ばくばく, but I can check to be sure. I'll be in 西院 on Friday evening.
Tzadeck Wrote:But, I don’t really think that Japanese men are sexist, so much as Japanese society is more sexist, if you know what I mean. I think that there are societal norms about how men act, how women act, and how they act towards each other. These societal norms are more sexist in Japan than in America. Both men and women, unfortunately, fall into perpetuating these societal norms. (I don't mean to blame the victim by including women here. The opposite, actually, I mean to criticize the norms themselves rather than the men or the women.)Its hard to say, but I would say its abuse of power more than anything else. I think there is enough info in the media and while you grow up to solidify an idea that DV and sexual harassment are bad things. Its because of the Senpai/Kohai system and just a general "those above" and "those below," and the level of respect you give them, that opens the door for abuse.
Tzadeck Wrote:There are individual men who are sexist or do awful things to women in Japan, and I think the percentage of the male population who do such things is probably higher in Japan than in America. But individual men and their sexism or immorality should be judged individually. Only the social norms, lack of laws protecting women, and lack of institutions to help women should be judge in a more general way.Very well said.
Tzadeck Wrote:Japanese society is more sexist than America in the sense that there are fewer things that women can do when they are mistreated by men, both socially and legally. If they are being sexually harassed at the workplace the social expectation is that they just kind of ignore it, and it’s hard to break that social norm. But, when it comes to sexism, the lack of laws or institutions to support women’s rights is always more important than social norms, and that is really lacking in Japan.I was thinking the opposite before reading that line, because even if there's laws and institutions that support women's rights, with the wrong social norm, women won't speak, because they will fear the society's look! In that area, Japan seems (from what I selectively gathered from the Internet) like a backward third world country! I hope they don't have tribal thinking and always look at one's family name!
Tzadeck Wrote:Because of the connotations of cheating if the jealous husband called up her workplace and associates? Surely she had female friends nearby she could temporarily stay with?HonyakuJoshua Wrote:@Tzadeck i have only been to Japan for ten days - Do you think Japanese men are sexist too?I quickly realized that there were not a lot legally that could be done in that situation, that nobody really cared about it, that in her prefecture there was only one large organization to help her and its staff couldn’t really provide any concrete help, and that her moving in with me (to get her out of her bad living situation) would have been frowned upon by the company she worked for and in general.
Quote:There are individual men who are sexist or do awful things to women in Japan, and I think the percentage of the male population who do such things is probably higher in Japan than in America.Just curious, why do you think so?
Shakunatz Wrote:I totally agree. I remember when I first came to Japan I was excited about 六本木・渋谷・秋葉原. I remember taking photo of vending machines and electric toilets because they were so unusual to me. But now, the more I understand Japanese the more I got interested in normal things as literature, laughter show, etc... The biggest advantage of speaking a decent Japanese is that I can enjoy adult conversation with my father in law. However, the big(?) disadvantage of speaking Japanese is that I finally see Japan as just another country (as it was supposed to be from the beginning, though) as I am finally aware of their politics, television programs, rigid/hierarchical social structures/mentalities, amount of sexual-related crime, condensed living design, etc..That's almost to the letter what I would have answered. The more Japanese you speak, the more Japan stops being a fantastic place and starts becoming, well, just a place. You can more clearly see both good and bad. But maybe that comes with just living here for a while too, regardless of the language.
However, most of those things are the ones I dislike of my own country so I think that`s not a great deal.
Inny Jan Wrote:弱い犬ほどよく吠えるHonyakuJoshua Wrote:I think the most ignorant are the loudest because the most sinister keep the lowest profiles...That reminded me of this Polish saying:
"Krowa, która dużo ryczy, mało mleka daje"
According to pl.wiktionary.org, English equivalents are:
"Barking dogs seldom bite"
"Big talkers are little doers"
There is no Japanese version of that though, any takers?
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dizmox Wrote:Because of the connotations of cheating if the jealous husband called up her workplace and associates? Surely she had female friends nearby she could temporarily stay with?Well, mostly it has to do with the fact that when you move into a place your company or school is often part of the contract and shares part of the responsibility for making sure you are a good tenant. So your company wants smooth regular living environments and is reluctant to do anything out of the ordinary. As for living with female friends, in her case, she was reluctant to tell anyone that she was being hit--she only told me and I convinced her to tell one more of her friends. (Not to mention, few women live alone in Japan. Most women live with their parents or their husband. It's not like she has lots of single female friends living alone who could put her up with no real burden. Putting up a friend is a lot tougher in family situations and with small living environments.)
Quote:Just curious, why do you think so?It might be irresponsible for me to have said it--I'm not basing it on statistical evidence but on everyday life. It seems obviously true to me from things I see and hear all the time. I realize that the fact that something seems obvious is not a good measure of how true it is. I said 'probably' to try to soften my statement a bit.
caivano Wrote:I think the way society treats the role of women in Japan is a huge factor in a lot of Japan's problems, economically and socially. If a country is underutilising half of the human resources and overworking the other half it's obviously inefficient and unhealthy.Partially, but it really comes down to outdated work ideals, where people believe 6 day work weeks and 10 hour days will increase the production of a company. It doesn't. I don't believe people are heavily overworked in the sense that they have mountains of stuff to do, they are merely overworked in the amount of time they spend at work pretending to be busy half the time.
Inny Jan Wrote:It sounds like you guys are trying to take a swipe at me, but I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.kainzero Wrote:the puns are strong with this one...LOL, that's the best pan I've heard ever, no need to SRS it.
kusterdu Wrote:For the lack of better version:Inny Jan Wrote:It sounds like you guys are trying to take a swipe at me, but I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.kainzero Wrote:the puns are strong with this one...LOL, that's the best pan I've heard ever, no need to SRS it.
