astendra Wrote:Maybe if people didn't take their opinions so seriously, we wouldn't have discussions like these.

This is true.

There is no need to defend an argument on the internet on the level of a master's thesis. If people are resistant to your arguments, well, so be it. You don't gain anything. Use a discussion as a place to learn, to see different sides of the argument and strengthen your own.

I really don't know anybody being negative and I don't know why posts about this board becoming resistant and negative keep popping up. Especially nowadays when there aren't that many posts to begin with.

erlog Wrote:I also find your last paragraph interesting. I used to post here a lot more and read this forum a lot more too. I started to post less because I got sick of having to defend every single thing I wrote like a masters thesis against people who don't have as much experience with Japanese as I do or don't seem to understand English well enough to actually read the things I was writing.

Apologies if i misinterpreted you. It seems i wasn't the only one though. You came across as pretty black-and-white against the JLPT. For the record, i can read. Are you sure your post really says what you think it says?

Some people enjoy flaming, other people don't. If you don't, don't post flamebait. You don't have to defend every opinion as if it's a published paper but if you post stuff that is obviously contrary to other people's experience... well, it's pretty natural that they'll argue with you. Nowhere in the right to free speech is the right not to be argued with. It's not a personal attack. I personally make a point of not remembering who i was arguing with once the thread ends.

mutley Wrote:Erlog your original comment was something like 'having it on your resume means nothing, next to nothing or is a negative'. To me that sounds like a pretty damning assesment of the JLPT (pretty much all black with a tiny hint of gray if you will). You can't really blame people for arguing against that if they disagree, even if seems your actual opinion isn't quite as extreme as that comment might have suggested.

"Resume" is the important word in the part you quoted. I said what I meant and I meant what I said. Unless your resume means everything in the world to you then it's not really such a damning assessment.

jonuhey Wrote:You should mind what you are talking about in each thread you post.

When you say things about JLPT in a thread that was supposed to just make ppl say if they did and how well they did the exam, that's more faulty than making grammar mistakes or not understanding "english well enough to read your post".

I apologize for talking about the JLPT in a JLPT thread. I do mind what I post quite a bit. I spent a lot of time describing my ideas, and I take what I write very seriously. Other people on this forum might just post off the cuff without regard to exactly what they're saying, but I don't. I write what I mean, and nothing more. Half the arguments I get into on this forum is people not reading anything I wrote, and yelling at me about things I flat out never said.

The resume thing above is a really good example. I said that the JLPT isn't so important for a resume. People took this to mean that I said the JLPT is completely worthless and that nobody should ever take it. If you actually think about what I wrote it doesn't mean that at all.

astendra Wrote:Maybe if people didn't take their opinions so seriously, we wouldn't have discussions like these.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

A wise and humble man once Wrote:We [...] tell ourselves a lot of bullshit about how awesome we are. When someone beats us, we rationalise it to somehow be a flaw on their part. Which is quite a bit of mental gymnastics if you think about it.

Thora Wrote:

A wise and humble man once Wrote:We [...] tell ourselves a lot of bullshit about how awesome we are. When someone beats us, we rationalise it to somehow be a flaw on their part. Which is quite a bit of mental gymnastics if you think about it.

LMAO.

erlog Wrote:I took the JLPT on Sunday like the rest of you. I'll take it again no matter what next July.

Wait, so you haven't actually passed JLPT1?

julianjalapeno Wrote:btw, maybe I'm alone here, but was the N1 listening on Sunday really hard? Definitely not my strong point, but I got hosed at that part. Vocab and grammar were surprisingly easy though.

It wasn't a total walk in the park but I didn't find it impossibly hard either. Actually, the easiest parts for me were where you had someone talking at length about something and then you were asked a question about it. The most difficult part for me was the quick fire round where you had a statement and then had to pick the most appropriate response.

I took the N1 after barely passing the N2 in Dec. 2010.

I live in Japan but study independently while working.

I feel the N1 was as hard as I expected in all areas except listening. I feel the listening was a little harder than I expected.

I feel my cumulative scores will be on the fence to passing or failing. We shall see in February.

RTK and the website helped me a lot in making it this far in my studies. It also made my studies more fun.

Good job on all working hard to take the test. Keep the studying/reviewing going even while waiting for the results. It is amazing what you can forget in a short month while not studying.

^andrew
International Relations
Hiroshima Toyo Carp

p.s. if anyone living in the US with music entertainment and some japanese language experience is looking for a job in Japan, let me know.