とっとと

pudding cat Wrote:

Omoishinji Wrote:ー　is used as substitute for a word in あ行. When writing in Haragana ー isn't used. カレー ⇔　カリー is only to say that the two words are the same word. The word next in sequence after カレー was 医学博士　（いがくはくし）. カレー was mentally changed to かれい, with isn't that much to worry about.

^Very confusing! Is ー some kind of あ行 wildcard in しりとり？ I don't see otherwise how え could change to い

くしゃみ

Yeah, I'm still confused too. Are you saying you combined かれえ and かりい to make かれい？ Or that カレー　is actually pronounced かれい?　Or that you just changed え　to 　い　for the hell of it?

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Surreal Wrote:水音


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別に関係ないけど、このスレッドを読んで何故かこれを思い出して笑ったのでとりあえずリンク　http://niconico.lumpio.dy.fi/watch/sm155...humb_watch

edit:続きもあるよ！（忘れてたんだ）　http://niconico.lumpio.dy.fi/watch/sm158613

Wtf! lol

取っ組み合い

五十嵐（いがらし）

pudding cat Wrote:

Omoishinji Wrote:ー　is used as substitute for a word in あ行. When writing in Haragana ー isn't used. カレー ⇔　カリー is only to say that the two words are the same word. The word next in sequence after カレー was 医学博士　（いがくはくし）. カレー was mentally changed to かれい, with isn't that much to worry about.

^Very confusing! Is ー some kind of あ行 wildcard in しりとり？ I don't see otherwise how え could change to い

くしゃみ

The word *wild card* wasn't used. Honestly, I said don't worry. However, both of you seem too overly concerned. The explanation is clear, and I no longer further address it. If it is the result of a misunderstand for me it ends here.

しつこい

Omoishinji Wrote:

pudding cat Wrote:

Omoishinji Wrote:ー　is used as substitute for a word in あ行. When writing in Haragana ー isn't used. カレー ⇔　カリー is only to say that the two words are the same word. The word next in sequence after カレー was 医学博士　（いがくはくし）. カレー was mentally changed to かれい, with isn't that much to worry about.

^Very confusing! Is ー some kind of あ行 wildcard in しりとり？ I don't see otherwise how え could change to い

くしゃみ

The word *wild card* wasn't used. Honestly, I said don't worry. However, both of you seem too overly concerned. The explanation is clear, and I no longer further address it. If it is the result of a misunderstand for me it ends here.

Sorry if I was annoying you. I wasn't trying to prove you made a mistake or anything; I was just trying to understand what you were saying.

いたずら

螺旋(らし)

Omoishinji Wrote:

pudding cat Wrote:^Very confusing! Is ー some kind of あ行 wildcard in しりとり？ I don't see otherwise how え could change to い

くしゃみ

The word *wild card* wasn't used. Honestly, I said don't worry. However, both of you seem too overly concerned. The explanation is clear, and I no longer further address it. If it is the result of a misunderstand for me it ends here.

I'm sorry if my comment gave offence, I didn't quite understand the explanation you gave.

市場

爆走

I think this is what omoishinji was talking about: when you want to indicate a simple drawn out え sound in hiragana, you usually write えい like in for example the name れいこ, instead of れえこ which is something different (I don't have the linguistics lingo to properly describe this, sorry). It's the same thing when the お sound is drawn out, you write おう, in for example 王(おう）, instead of おお. So カレー would in hiragana be written かれい, hence why the following word started with い. Btw, what I think made your explanation confusing, Omoishinji, was that for some reason you wrote カレー→カリー... Maybe you meant to write カレー→カレイ？

有象無象

Ok.. Let's see, hm. 増減！

カテゴリを決めたら面白くなるかも。例えば動物とか

増減（ぞうげん）＞ん＞な

海鼠　(なまこ）

子鹿

Tori-kun Wrote:Ok.. Let's see, hm. 増減！

Remember to use the very last syllable! It would have been "u" instead of "zou" ^^ ...or at least I think it would...?

As for the animal category... can insects count?
蚊

動物は文字通り、動く（生）物を指す。だから虫も勿論動物だよ。

蚊（か）＞獺（かわうそ）

祖父 （そふ）　生きている動き物だ。

Surreal Wrote:I think this is what omoishinji was talking about: when you want to indicate a simple drawn out え sound in hiragana, you usually write えい like in for example the name れいこ, instead of れえこ which is something different (I don't have the linguistics lingo to properly describe this, sorry). It's the same thing when the お sound is drawn out, you write おう, in for example 王(おう）, instead of おお. So カレー would in hiragana be written かれい, hence why the following word started with い. Btw, what I think made your explanation confusing, Omoishinji, was that for some reason you wrote カレー→カリー... Maybe you meant to write カレー→カレイ？

Interesting. Does that mean that えい　is pronounced like ええ？　I thought the い　was pronounced, so ええ was quite different from えい. I tried saying ええ (as in Yes) a couple of times and it naturally comes out different from the れい　in れいか. It's just as likely to be a bad habit I've gotten in to, but it sounds right to me.

フクロウ　[梟]　

No no, ええ is different from えい, you're not wrong about that and you definitely shouldn't change your pronounciation to make them sound the same all the time. Like I said, I really can't explain very well how it works (someone else up for it?), it just makes sense to write it as かれい... I guess ええ gives me more of a sense of two different sounds instead of just one long sound. Though sometimes えい can be pronounced like in the exclamation "えい！！！”, which is different from just a long え sound, sometimes it is very much like just a drawn out え, for example (scroll down to the Japanese pronounciation) http://www.forvo.com/word/%E6%88%90%E5%8A%9F/ has a sound in 成 that is basically the same as カレー's last sound, kind of. Like I said, I'm bad at explaining this, I've just been going on intuition most of the time. If you want to get a good pronunciation, the safest bet is probably doing what Magamo always recommends. That is, using Audacity or a similar program to record native speech, record yourself copying the thing while listening to the speech, comparing the two, rinse and repeat.

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銀鮒（ギンブナ）

長須鯨（ながすくじら）

駱駝（ラクダ）

鴕鳥（ダチョウ）

雲丹（ウニ）
棘皮動物で、植物じゃないよ。

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