Not sure if there is this on this forum but it would be cool to be able to list all or at least new/more developed forms of using the SRS in certain ways. I'm actually looking for ways making things automated for sentences (I did research a few threads about this one). I'm currently looking at production type cards(writing kanji down,sentences down,vocabulary down) and figured that context based learning is the way to go.

For example: having kana in the question portion and kanji in the answer portion usual causes confusion because there are many kanji that fit within the same readings. So I figured that cloze deletion would make this effective and you'd learn to write the vocab or short sentences with ease and having context to gain a good understanding of how that kanji is used in a sentence.

Does anyone know any ways of making cloze deletion additions fast/effective? What I'm getting at is, I'm trying to find more ways of boosting my abilities and learning new techniques for the SRS (Anki is the one I use). I know how to add sentences fast/effectively but now I'm looking for ways of adding context heavy sentences and doing cloze deletion (Sounds like MCD AJATT). I'll slowly start with small sentences and go from there.

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tokyostyle created a MCD plug-in for anki... you should talk to him. i use it and it rules ;D

dtcamero Wrote:tokyostyle created a MCD plug-in for anki... you should talk to him. i use it and it rules ;D

serious? that's awesome. Anki keeps getting better and better and thanks to the plugin ins, it's even better

I dont know if that has been discussed before, but the concept of the "second wave" could be implemented in a possible SRS workflow.

For those not familiar with that, it is at the heart of the "Assimil Method" books. You first start with recognition (you learn 50 daily lessons of about 10 sentences each in order, one per day) and then as you hit lesson 51, your daily task is now to not only recognize the sentences in lesson 51, but to **produce** the sentences in 1. And then you go on until you run out of recognition lessons and production lessons.

The nice thing about it is that it asks you to produce only things you've been thoroughly familiarized with - for 50 days, so it is nor too painful nor time-consuming. Then the second nice thing about it is that you eventually **do** production, which is something that seems to be overlooked, judging by what people say on this forum. But practicing production is key to speaking, and that's an important source of fun in language learning.

What would be nice would be to have it automatically implemented by Anki. I am personally too lazy to update my production cards at regular intervals. Or maybe there is a simple way to do it without too much trouble?

louischa Wrote:I dont know if that has been discussed before, but the concept of the "second wave" could be implemented in a possible SRS workflow.

For those not familiar with that, it is at the heart of the "Assimil Method" books. You first start with recognition (you learn 50 daily lessons of about 10 sentences each in order, one per day) and then as you hit lesson 51, your daily task is now to not only recognize the sentences in lesson 51, but to **produce** the sentences in 1. And then you go on until you run out of recognition lessons and production lessons.

The nice thing about it is that it asks you to produce only things you've been thoroughly familiarized with - for 50 days, so it is nor too painful nor time-consuming. Then the second nice thing about it is that you eventually **do** production, which is something that seems to be overlooked, judging by what people say on this forum. But practicing production is key to speaking, and that's an important source of fun in language learning.

What would be nice would be to have it automatically implemented by Anki. I am personally too lazy to update my production cards at regular intervals. Or maybe there is a simple way to do it without too much trouble?

Yea that's what I'm looking for basically. I'm finding that cloze deletion type cards for simple sentences, as well as complex+big paragraphs for production type cards(writing the vocabulary word for that cloze deletion part) works well for recognizing that kanji+it's reading in that context and you gain the ability to write that kanji from memory with ease.

As for production for speaking, I will experiment with that but I know using anki for production in terms of speaking isn't the best option. But then again, experimenting and finding out what works is key for getting farther and farther into language learning.

I'm also thinking of gearing it towards active typing production/reply assignments for the srs and lastly, transcription based tasks (audio playing-very short one) and you transcribe it and see if it's correct.

At the moment, those types of cards are the ones I'm currently want to experiment on (well there's one more and that's the MCD style cards for sentences)

I'm curious as to how good your speaking is. I know you say it's bad but for your level of Japanese in terms of recognition, it wouldn't be too bad, would it?

DevvaR Wrote:I'm curious as to how good your speaking is. I know you say it's bad but for your level of Japanese in terms of recognition, it wouldn't be too bad, would it?

It was pretty bad at the 1.5 year mark but now it's really getting easier actually. Plus I love how I'm getting natural reinforcement from immersion (makes it much more naturally and not text-book style output). I'd say it's improving greatly then what it was before. But then again, my goal is to have speaking on par with reading/listening by next year. So by next year, you will hear or see me be a fluent speaker of Japanese by next year, fluent reader and fluent listener haha. I guarantee it to myself haha.

(You may be wondering why I am saying that there are different fluencies for each skill. That's how I feel it is in languages. Having that complete fluency in all 4 skills will take years to accomplish but if it's only reading/speaking, then it is possible to get that within 2 years but my goal is for the complete skills by 5 year mark)

dtcamero Wrote:tokyostyle created a MCD plug-in for anki... you should talk to him. i use it and it rules ;D

What's the name of the plugin and where can I find it?

RuRuKo Wrote:

dtcamero Wrote:tokyostyle created a MCD plug-in for anki... you should talk to him. i use it and it rules ;D

What's the name of the plugin and where can I find it?

can't find it on anki, so it must be on the forums somewhere

can anyone direct me to this MCD plug-in?

File → Download → Shared Plugin ...

Search: MCD

For MCD style cards all I do now is: get a paragraphs that interests me and add that into anki. Select a vocab card that I have trouble reading(just one vocab) and concentrate on that. I'll use the sentences to figure out the reading/vocab. I'll search it up in JP-JP dictionary if it's confusing. That's what I do. Don't really need a plug-in but making things automated is definitely the way to go.

To create MCD's while reading and saving vocab, just use LWT: http://lwt.sf.net
Search the page for "MCD".
Within the LWT settings:
The number of sentences displayed during testing and generated during term creation can be set to 1 (default), 2 or 3; if set to 2 or 3 you are able to do "MCD" (Massive-Context Cloze Deletion) testing, proposed by Khatzumoto @ AJATT.
That gives you "massive context"...
(can be also exported to Anki etc.)
See also
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid148102
and
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=8287