I hope this is in the right forum. I've been thinking about a way to combine i+1 with flash cards. This is a very raw idea and it can possibly grow into something much more complex with the help of others. So, please break it down, berate it, analyze it and think of a solution to fix each part or the whole thing, then post. As far as I know, there isn't anything like this yet, so if there happens to be a way to achieve something like this, please post that as well.

1. Input a sentence that you've come across that you'd like to learn
2. The program will then parse the sentence into the portions you set it to learn (i.e. nouns, adverbs, adjectives, etc.)
3. It will then remove what you don't need to learn (grammatical function, particles, whathaveyou)
4. In an SRS fashion it will quiz you on the words and you will respond with how well you know them (possibly 1-4 buttons like Anki)
5. When all of the vocab is learned at the intended level of understanding (Anki button 4), the program quizzes you on the sentence itself

What I hope this will do, is give the student an environment where they can learn both words and sentences at a pace that is comfortable for them but still very efficient. If they learn all of the words, but don't understand the sentence they may be able to figure out their weakness more intuitively.

What do you guys think of this? What other methods could integrate with or just trump this approach?

I'm reading up on MCD now. Thanks for the recommendation!

Also, I would like to point out this thread: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=7486 (Mighty Morphin Morphology)

This looks like it's coming really close to what I'm envisioning, and I may muck around with it a bit and see what I can do with it.

I agree that concepts/methods are more efficient now because they are available right now, but I also feel it's a good idea to let our imaginations run wild to maybe (over time) build better systems.

Using heavy context c(l)ues with clozes isn't a great idea for learning new words, and it's clear that what you suggested isn't the same, OP; I think as a general methodology you can achieve what you want with the tools we have now, though certainly there'll always be a place for web apps and such that streamline and focus the technique. (Although, on a tangent from the Memrise thread, I don't think this makes them Anki killers or whathaveyou, since you can do so much more with Anki as a learning ecology without limiting yourself to a particular learning province).

I would go into more detail but recently we've had 3 or 4 threads all (which is great) congregating around the same basic ideas (I think kodorakun and Lindley started the other 2) and they tie into so many previous threads/discussions I've been hardpressed to do more than link to those in a vague way. The possibilities keep exponentially increasing, especially with knowledge tracking.

Cacawate Wrote:...In an SRS fashion it will quiz you on the words...When all of the vocab is learned at the intended level of understanding (Anki button 4), the program quizzes you on the sentence itself

You can achieve nearly the same idea using Morph Man using the i+N and unknowns features.

Step 1) Make sentence cards and process with plugin.

Step 2) Study i+1* cards and pay attention to the "unknowns" field, using the rest of the sentence as context or completely ignoring it if you want.

Step 3) After some time recompute known.db the i+N* and unknowns.

Step 4) Repeat step 2 to learn more words or study i+0 cards to focus on sentences where you know all the words already.

* This is done by suspending / unsuspending

nest0r Wrote:Using heavy context c(l)ues with clozes isn't a great idea for learning new words, and it's clear that what you suggested isn't the same, OP; I think as a general methodology you can achieve what you want with the tools we have now, though certainly there'll always be a place for web apps and such that streamline and focus the technique. (Although, on a tangent from the Memrise thread, I don't think this makes them Anki killers or whathaveyou, since you can do so much more with Anki as a learning ecology without limiting yourself to a particular learning province).

I would go into more detail but recently we've had 3 or 4 threads all (which is great) congregating around the same basic ideas (I think kodorakun and Lindley started the other 2) and they tie into so many previous threads/discussions I've been hardpressed to do more than link to those in a vague way. The possibilities keep exponentially increasing, especially with knowledge tracking.

I definitely jumped the gun with this topic and from a bit more lurking, I think I've found the threads to which you are referring. The amount of study methods is absolutely amazing, and coming across the MorphMan2 got me very excited.

Also, after a bit of research on MCD, I have to agree with you. I'm kind of confused as to why it was offered as a solution. MorphMan2 is what I will be spending my free time with. The idea of efficiency is addictive for me however, and with all of the options with Anki I'm going to have to restrain myself.

Cacawate Wrote:The idea of efficiency is addictive for me however, and with all of the options with Anki I'm going to have to restrain myself.

Sounds like an awesome problem.

overture2112 Wrote:

Cacawate Wrote:...In an SRS fashion it will quiz you on the words...When all of the vocab is learned at the intended level of understanding (Anki button 4), the program quizzes you on the sentence itself

You can achieve nearly the same idea using Morph Man using the i+N and unknowns features.

Step 1) Make sentence cards and process with plugin.

Step 2) Study i+1* cards and pay attention to the "unknowns" field, using the rest of the sentence as context or completely ignoring it if you want.

Step 3) After some time recompute known.db the i+N* and unknowns.

Step 4) Repeat step 2 to learn more words or study i+0 cards to focus on sentences where you know all the words already.

* This is done by suspending / unsuspending

This is remarkably close to what I had in mind. Almost too creepily close. Thank you for the steps here, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

And you, sir, are a knave and a scoundrel!

You sir, are a fishmonger!

See here now. I dare say. This will not stand. I will not tolerate this effrontery!

tokyostyle Wrote:

Cacawate Wrote:Also, I would like to point out this thread: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=7486 (Mighty Morphin Morphology)

When this is more mature it will be awesome. I tried an early version of it, but it didn't do anything yet.

Strange. If you send me a copy / post the anki_plugin_dir/morph/tests/auto.log file I can look into what the problem was.