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I was curious, how does Japanese spoken by natives who stutter and/or have a lisp sound?

I noticed in learning materials which show stuttering that they would stutter like bo-bo-bo-boku, rather than b-b-b-b-boku (haven't encountered lisps yet). Now sure how accurate they are =/. I did notice that when I stuttered around my native teacher she wouldn't understand one bit, though.

I don't know if it's -exactly- like real life, but if you watch the dorama 'Nobuta wo Produce', the female lead stutters a lot. The acting in general is pretty good, but I think the voice affectations on the part of the major supporting male character and the female lead are probably a bit overdone for effect.

I've never seen anyone in real life or on a non-fiction broadcast stutter in Japanese.

I`ve got a student in the sixth grade who stutters like mad. Its painful to watch him struggle and I hate calling on the kid, but god bless him, he raises his hand all the time and does his best.

But to answer your question, its usually b-b-b-boku, rather than bo-bo-bo-boku. Often he struggles just to get the initial sound out and it looks like he`s sort of winding up to say something big.

I have, he works with my team.
Sometimes he is hard to understand, sometimes he is easy because his speech is slower and I know what he wants to say and hearing him say it again `reconfirms` it in my head, if that makes sense.

Nice guy, super patient.

Go check out the drama, 'Densha Otoko'. I don't know how realistically it represents struttering, but it might give you an idea. The main character strutters everyone 2 seconds.

Hammy Japanese actors probably aren't a good reference

A better reference might be the film Aoi Tori. It's a film about students in a class coming to terms with the suicide of one of their classmates. Hiroshi Abe plays a substitute teacher with a stutter.

If you want to see what lisping sounds like you should watch

katsuzetsu warui geinin episode for ame talk
there's this guy who lisps like crazy and no one can understand what he says cause he lisps the ssssssh sounds and that sound pretty popular in japanese.

滑舌悪い芸人　アメトーク

Japanese people cannot lisp because the sounds don't exist in the kana syllabary. If they stutter, they have to do it in kana form because the language doesn't have consonants and vowels, it just has kana. Also because they speak in kanji, it makes it less likely that they will stutter because they speak in ideas rather than sounds like Westerners.

yudantaiteki Wrote:Also because they speak in kanji, it makes it less likely that they will stutter because they speak in ideas rather than sounds like Westerners.

I can't agree. Westerners speak in ideas too. We have given the sound an idea of what it means, just like Japanese. The Japanese language just has less sounds to work with, and as such more overlapping (distinguished by kanji in writing).

yudantaiteki Wrote:Japanese people cannot lisp because the sounds don't exist in the kana syllabary.

This is wrong. One of my schools has an office worker who has a very obvious and strong lisp.

(There's even a Japanese Wikipedia article on it: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A7%8B%E...C%E5%AE%B3. Lisps often have physiological causes, that therefor appear across languages when trying to produce certain sounds provided they are in the language. It happens regardless of whether or not the produced sound is available in the language's writing system or normal pronunciation.)

Don't be silly, Yudantaiteki was obviously joking.

Anyway, a lisper rapper:

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temporary Wrote:Don't be silly, Yudantaiteki was obviously joking.

Anyway, a lisper rapper:

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ooh thx for the link in general . Japanese rap

yudantaiteki Wrote:....Also because they speak in kanji, it makes it less likely that they will stutter because they speak in ideas rather than sounds like Westerners.

Oh man, you had me going until this line! The words didn't fit the author, and so my mind was trying to figure it out until here haha

Haha, indeed. Serves me right for posting when tipsy.

I know I have a lisp but people say I don't have one or at least don't notice it. Maybe I corrected it over time.

Tzadeck Wrote:Haha, indeed. Serves me right for posting when tipsy.

I thought you are assimilated into the Japanese culture so much that your sarcasm-sensors became inactive...

temporary Wrote:I thought you are assimilated into the Japanese culture so much that your sarcasm-sensors became inactive...

You're joking, but this is at least partly true, haha. This year I started working with an American guy who jokes around a lot, sometimes in a sarcastic way. When I first started working with him I really was bad at telling when he was being sarcastic. Three years in Japan'll do that to ya.

I used to be very sarcastic. Now I'm not and I'm not even used to hearing it.

My sarcasm sensors are very sensitive and that wasn't sarcasm.

But art of trolling is a different matter altogether, and I find deep appreciation for it.

I posted an entry on lang-8 today which I tried to make look as sarcastic as possible but I don't think they got it. I need to be careful in the future.