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SRS - new sentences mixed in or after reviews?

#1
I've completed Core 6000 using smart.fm, which always presented new items after reviews had been completed. After a break of about 3 months I've continued with the Core 10,000 using a public Anki deck I found. This, by default, mixes new sentences with due reviews. On the first hand it feels like it spreads the (lots of) new information but on the other hand disturbs what I'm focusing on. I've set Anki to display the oldest due to cards first, so usually after a few familiar cards, a new cards appears and that seems to crash into my focus like a rock. That repeats until I've reached my 20 new cards a day limit. Aside from that, 95% of all new cards end up in 'again' at the first review, so they end up being displayed well later on anyway. I'm thinking it might be better after all to first review, and then focus on the new stuff.

I'm curious what other people's findings are.
Edited: 2011-08-08, 8:41 pm
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#2
I prefer to keep new cards and failed cards separate, usually review new cards first and failed at the end. I also always do ‘review in order due’.
Edited: 2011-08-08, 9:27 pm
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#3
In Anki I don't let it add new cards with reviews due. So my new cards per day are set to zero. Also my anki is broken and mixes them in regardless of what i set it at (maybe a mac issue?) regardless it doesn't affect me. I prefer this keeping them separate and adding new cards after I'm all caught up. Keeps me in check and makes it so my reviews don't pile up unnecessarily. I also didn't like the way it made my brain switch gears so keeping everything separate reduced the time it took me to finish reviews.
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#4
For vocabulary and/or sentence decks, I like to mix them in. It keeps me on my toes as it were. But then, I put my own vocabulary and sentence cards in so they never hit me completely 'cold'. Although they do often get repeated on the first viewing, I'm okay with that. Getting it wrong once and then reviewing it minutes later is a good way to set it in memory so that on the 1-day and later reviews I'm much more likely to get it right.

For my RTK deck, I like the new characters at the beginning or the end and not mixed in - I'll blow away my session time limit if I'm pausing to think up a new story and/or look up stroke order on a new character that I fail on the first viewing, which often happens.
Edited: 2011-08-08, 11:05 pm
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#5
SRS is meant for things you already learned I use my incorrectly by learning pre made deck (Kore 6000) I wish I had the discipline of you guys. It's just easier for me to blow through 50-100 New Kore cards then look for 100 sentences in the wild with those 100 words. I'm still just at 1800 in Kore so I haven't really hit a big section of words that I don't know yet but it's still good kanji practice. at 1800 Kore cards you covered 946 unique kanji.
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#6
NoSleepTilFluent Wrote:SRS is meant for things you already learned I use my incorrectly by learning pre made deck (Kore 6000) I wish I had the discipline of you guys. It's just easier for me to blow through 50-100 New Kore cards then look for 100 sentences in the wild with those 100 words. I'm still just at 1800 in Kore so I haven't really hit a big section of words that I don't know yet but it's still good kanji practice. at 1800 Kore cards you covered 946 unique kanji.
actually if you use rikaichan, you can click on vocab words you find in native material and save them and then upload it to an anki deck. That's what I do for new vocab words. You can literally get hundreds of vocab words in a few minutes and review them in anki. I think someone did this for sentences(whcih will make everyone's lives easier). Plus you can download a plugin that says the sentence for you. So you have audio+efficient way of adding/sentences/vocab. And I think there is an easy way to add monolingual cards now.

Overall adding cards are easy now.
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#7
NoSleepTilFluent Wrote:SRS is meant for things you already learned I use my incorrectly by learning pre made deck (Kore 6000) I wish I had the discipline of you guys. It's just easier for me to blow through 50-100 New Kore cards then look for 100 sentences in the wild with those 100 words. I'm still just at 1800 in Kore so I haven't really hit a big section of words that I don't know yet but it's still good kanji practice. at 1800 Kore cards you covered 946 unique kanji.
Spaced retrieval software is for learning new items as well; both for literally learning new items using the ability to customize its presentation with audio and imagery and text, et cetera, the way you first study new items in terms of spacing the retrieval, and in the continual process of retrieving the information and reconsolidating your memories. For more rambling on the topic with references: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid141266 & to add my new/failed study schedule in more detail: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid141918 (I'll eventually have a more streamlined version since I've been using it a while, hence my short first comment in this thread, plus I'll try to make it more wiki friendly).

It's interesting what you mention about Core 6000. I use it the opposite: to unsuspend cards that contain words I've learned elsewhere: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid141642 - Mostly it's for subvocalization/prosodic purposes, and reinforcement in a controlled context. I call such decks fixed general reference corpora when used this way, per: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...5#pid89325

I've also been using it with the Langrid KNP dependency parser for the occasional batches of new cards for their words (after sorting by i+N using overture's MorphMan): http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid138877 & http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid140504

Of course, Core 2000 is a different story, for beginners. I'm still reworking my views on how I'd do that differently/what I'd now recommend, in terms of integrating it with RTK, Japanese the Manga Way, and other tools (the key theme being that integration that I've been advocating [most recently here] awhile, but Nukemarine's beginner guide was clearcut enough that I decided to be lazy instead of concretizing my own advice).
Edited: 2011-08-09, 12:39 pm
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#8
Hmm I see.

The reason I've brought this up is that I studied Core 6000 using smart.fm and later on Anki (with about a 3 month delay) so all new cards were already quite familiar. I've done about 300 new cards and noticed that my reviews increase in count, but I don't feel less comfortable being confronted with completely new material as new cards.

I think it's better after all to first review and later on study new items.

I wonder, how many of you use separate decks? A kanji deck, a sentence deck and a vocabulary deck? When do you decide to search a sentence for a word or just add it to the vocab deck? I'm thinking of just studying a deck with all words required for JLPT 1, since I plan to take the test sometime anyway.
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